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13:41:44 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:41:52 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:41:59 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240606T150000/
13:41:59 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:41:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:41:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:42:01 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:42:03 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:42:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:42:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:42:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD
13:42:10 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta Consumer guidance PR
13:42:13 <agendabot> agenda+ String direction APIs
13:42:15 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:53:41 <addison> regrets+ Fuqiao
13:59:01 <addison> present+ Addison
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14:07:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:07:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:42 <addison> agenda?
14:07:43 <atsushi> scribe+
14:08:09 <atsushi> addison: got one additional item from r12a
14:08:14 <atsushi> ... anything else?
14:08:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:08:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:06 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:09:14 <addison> #103
14:09:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)
14:09:37 <addison> #102
14:09:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102  ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:03 <addison> #100
14:10:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100 -> Action 100  complain to plh about the new IRC tool (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:14 <r12a> q+
14:10:21 <addison> close #100
14:10:23 <gb> Closed -> issue #100 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100
14:10:27 <addison> ack r12a
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14:11:12 <atsushi> r12a: irc client looks similar to webirc one
14:11:14 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:12:28 <addison> #99
14:12:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99  ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28
14:12:58 <addison> #98
14:12:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98  fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23
14:13:33 <addison> #96
14:13:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96  evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02
14:14:10 <addison> #93
14:14:10 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93  create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
14:14:23 <addison> #90
14:14:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:14:35 <addison> #89
14:14:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:14:46 <addison> #87
14:14:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87  write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
14:15:11 <atsushi> addison: did while ago, and replied on thread and waiting for reply
14:15:16 <addison> #79
14:15:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79  schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:15:33 <addison> #78
14:15:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78  compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:15:42 <addison> #43
14:15:43 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43  pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
14:16:02 <atsushi> addison: done for PR, and agenda later
14:16:08 <addison> #33
14:16:08 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:16:21 <addison> #8
14:16:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:16:24 <addison> #7
14:16:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:16:51 <addison> #4
14:16:52 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:17:17 <atsushi> addison: will write to them on this
14:17:27 <addison> action: addison: follow up on action#4 by writing an email
14:17:34 <gb> Created -> action #104 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104
14:17:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:17:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:17:47 <r12a> q+
14:17:53 <addison> ack next
14:18:49 <atsushi> JcK: discussion going at IETF, on strings and characters
14:19:00 <atsushi> ... language and direction information
14:19:18 <atsushi> ... discussion for screen reader and a11y point of view
14:20:02 <atsushi> ... explained in explainer, basically direction by user
14:20:48 <atsushi> ... would bring recommendations from IETF and W3C
14:20:58 <atsushi> addison: email thread flows
14:21:37 <atsushi> ... will probably suggest some discussion for reasonable resolution
14:22:43 <atsushi> r12a: talk at June 25th
14:23:07 <atsushi> ... called bidi text, organized by Unicode
14:23:14 <r12a> Bidirectional Text (Part 1): The Basics of Bidi
14:23:15 <r12a> Date & Time 	Jun 25, 2024 04:00 PM London
14:23:28 <atsushi> ... you need to register from URL
14:24:20 <r12a> https://blog.unicode.org/2024/05/new-event-on-june-25-webinar-on.html
14:25:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:25:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:25:52 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:26:17 <atsushi> addison: two new incoming
14:27:16 <atsushi> addison: will take device posture
14:27:34 <atsushi> atsushi: will take controlers documents
14:28:20 <atsushi> addison: under review, waiting for input
14:28:37 <atsushi> ... web translation api, couple of pending issues
14:29:23 <atsushi> r12a: nothing for html ruby extension, but need to check around
14:29:49 <atsushi> addison: web principles and baggages are moved to completed, since all issues resolved
14:30:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:30:02 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:30:16 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:30:27 <addison> i18n-activity#1856
14:30:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1856 -> Issue 1856 language tag handling needs more attention (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:translation-api]
14:30:47 <atsushi> addison: language tag issue
14:31:18 <atsushi> ... high level handling is #1856
14:31:19 <gb> Issue 1856 not found
14:32:48 <atsushi> +1
14:32:56 <atsushi> [all agrees]
14:33:03 <addison> i18n-activity#1855
14:33:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1855 -> Issue 1855 `canTranslate` values `no`, `readily` and `afterDownload` are not internationalized? (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:translation-api]
14:34:20 <atsushi> r12a: in language tag examples, there are bad examples
14:37:11 <atsushi> addison: this is naming of values
14:40:31 <atsushi> r12a: no strong feelings.
14:40:39 <atsushi> addison: would have some conversations with this group
14:41:33 <atsushi> r12a: IETF question was for 14th Ul /04
14:43:34 <addison> agenda?
14:43:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:43:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:44:04 <addison>     Perso-arabic Kashmiri https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ks/index.html
14:44:04 <addison>     Uighur https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ug/index.html
14:44:04 <addison>     Urdu https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ur/index.html
14:48:04 <addison> publish arab-ks, arab-ug, and arab-ur as FPWD?
14:48:11 <r12a> +1
14:48:12 <addison> +1
14:48:36 <addison> jck: +1
14:49:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:49:39 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- String direction APIs -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:49:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/586
14:49:49 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/586 -> Pull Request 586 Publish a list of APIs for setting language and direction in native code (by aphillips)
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14:52:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:52:00 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- String-Meta Consumer guidance PR -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:52:09 <addison> https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers
14:54:21 <atsushi> r12a: bdi, and isolation, problem you don't actually know without metadata
14:54:34 <atsushi> ... you should have direction via bdi tag
14:55:07 <addison> You are reading <span id="title"></span>
14:55:36 <atsushi> addison: above example, you need to decorate using span for parts
14:56:04 <atsushi> ... similar to message format one
14:57:11 <atsushi> addison: not like bdi, span wont isolate things
14:58:00 <r12a> getElementById('title') = `You are reading: <bdi>{$title}</bdi>`
14:58:11 <atsushi> r12a: default sinario to have bdi, but even if not you should have dir for changing direction
14:58:52 <atsushi> addison: depends on situation, you should have bdi, direction or auto
14:59:11 <atsushi> r12a: will read carefully
14:59:38 <atsushi> addison: discussed last week, and to have examples. and added some here
15:00:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:00:00 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:00:23 <atsushi> r12a: plain text example is not identical to html one
15:01:47 <atsushi> +1 for FPWD
15:02:02 <atsushi> addison: back to FPWDs, and resolved
15:02:10 <addison> RESOLVED: publish arab-ks, arab-ug, and arab-ur as FPWD
15:02:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:02:27 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:30 <r12a> ACTION ri: Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers
15:03:31 <gb> Created -> action #105 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105
15:03:38 <atsushi> rrsagent, make log public
15:03:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:03 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:04:03 <Zakim> Present: Addison, JcK
15:04:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see JcK, atsushi, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, r12a, fantasai, florian, agendabot, Bert, csarven, astearns, hsivonen, koji, eemeli, gb, xfq, Mek, alastairc, Rachael,
15:04:05 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, cwilso
15:04:10 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Richard
15:04:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:28 <addison> zakim, bye
15:04:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, JcK, Atsushi, Richard
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