IRC log of i18n on 2024-06-06

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13:41:44 [addison]
Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Chair: Addison Phillips
13:41:59 [agendabot]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240606T150000/
13:41:59 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Agenda Review
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agenda+ Action Items
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agenda+ Info Share
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agenda+ RADAR Review
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agenda+ Pending Issue Review
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:42:10 [agendabot]
agenda+ Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD
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agenda+ String-Meta Consumer guidance PR
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agenda+ String direction APIs
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agenda+ AOB?
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regrets+ Fuqiao
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present+ Addison
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14:07:39 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 1
14:07:39 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:42 [addison]
agenda?
14:07:43 [atsushi]
scribe+
14:08:09 [atsushi]
addison: got one additional item from r12a
14:08:14 [atsushi]
... anything else?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:06 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
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#103
14:09:15 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)
14:09:37 [addison]
#102
14:09:38 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102 ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:03 [addison]
#100
14:10:04 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100 -> Action 100 complain to plh about the new IRC tool (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:14 [r12a]
q+
14:10:21 [addison]
close #100
14:10:23 [gb]
Closed -> issue #100 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100
14:10:27 [addison]
ack r12a
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14:11:12 [atsushi]
r12a: irc client looks similar to webirc one
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present+ JcK
14:12:28 [addison]
#99
14:12:28 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28
14:12:58 [addison]
#98
14:12:59 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23
14:13:33 [addison]
#96
14:13:33 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02
14:14:10 [addison]
#93
14:14:10 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
14:14:23 [addison]
#90
14:14:24 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:14:35 [addison]
#89
14:14:36 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:14:46 [addison]
#87
14:14:47 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
14:15:11 [atsushi]
addison: did while ago, and replied on thread and waiting for reply
14:15:16 [addison]
#79
14:15:17 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:15:33 [addison]
#78
14:15:34 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:15:42 [addison]
#43
14:15:43 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
14:16:02 [atsushi]
addison: done for PR, and agenda later
14:16:08 [addison]
#33
14:16:08 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:16:21 [addison]
#8
14:16:22 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:16:24 [addison]
#7
14:16:25 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:16:51 [addison]
#4
14:16:52 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:17:17 [atsushi]
addison: will write to them on this
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action: addison: follow up on action#4 by writing an email
14:17:34 [gb]
Created -> action #104 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/104
14:17:38 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:17:38 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:17:47 [r12a]
q+
14:17:53 [addison]
ack next
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JcK: discussion going at IETF, on strings and characters
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... language and direction information
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... discussion for screen reader and a11y point of view
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... explained in explainer, basically direction by user
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... would bring recommendations from IETF and W3C
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addison: email thread flows
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... will probably suggest some discussion for reasonable resolution
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r12a: talk at June 25th
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... called bidi text, organized by Unicode
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Bidirectional Text (Part 1): The Basics of Bidi
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Date & Time Jun 25, 2024 04:00 PM London
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... you need to register from URL
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https://blog.unicode.org/2024/05/new-event-on-june-25-webinar-on.html
14:25:45 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 4
14:25:45 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:25:52 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:26:17 [atsushi]
addison: two new incoming
14:27:16 [atsushi]
addison: will take device posture
14:27:34 [atsushi]
atsushi: will take controlers documents
14:28:20 [atsushi]
addison: under review, waiting for input
14:28:37 [atsushi]
... web translation api, couple of pending issues
14:29:23 [atsushi]
r12a: nothing for html ruby extension, but need to check around
14:29:49 [atsushi]
addison: web principles and baggages are moved to completed, since all issues resolved
14:30:01 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 5
14:30:02 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:30:16 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:30:27 [addison]
i18n-activity#1856
14:30:28 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1856 -> Issue 1856 language tag handling needs more attention (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:translation-api]
14:30:47 [atsushi]
addison: language tag issue
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... high level handling is #1856
14:31:19 [gb]
Issue 1856 not found
14:32:48 [atsushi]
+1
14:32:56 [atsushi]
[all agrees]
14:33:03 [addison]
i18n-activity#1855
14:33:04 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1855 -> Issue 1855 `canTranslate` values `no`, `readily` and `afterDownload` are not internationalized? (by aphillips) [pending] [needs-resolution] [s:translation-api]
14:34:20 [atsushi]
r12a: in language tag examples, there are bad examples
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addison: this is naming of values
14:40:31 [atsushi]
r12a: no strong feelings.
14:40:39 [atsushi]
addison: would have some conversations with this group
14:41:33 [atsushi]
r12a: IETF question was for 14th Ul /04
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agenda?
14:43:51 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 6
14:43:51 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:44:04 [addison]
Perso-arabic Kashmiri https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ks/index.html
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Uighur https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ug/index.html
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Urdu https://w3c.github.io/alreq/arab-ur/index.html
14:48:04 [addison]
publish arab-ks, arab-ug, and arab-ur as FPWD?
14:48:11 [r12a]
+1
14:48:12 [addison]
+1
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jck: +1
14:49:39 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 8
14:49:39 [Zakim]
agendum 8 -- String direction APIs -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:49:48 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/586
14:49:49 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/586 -> Pull Request 586 Publish a list of APIs for setting language and direction in native code (by aphillips)
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14:52:00 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 7
14:52:00 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- String-Meta Consumer guidance PR -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:52:09 [addison]
https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers
14:54:21 [atsushi]
r12a: bdi, and isolation, problem you don't actually know without metadata
14:54:34 [atsushi]
... you should have direction via bdi tag
14:55:07 [addison]
You are reading <span id="title"></span>
14:55:36 [atsushi]
addison: above example, you need to decorate using span for parts
14:56:04 [atsushi]
... similar to message format one
14:57:11 [atsushi]
addison: not like bdi, span wont isolate things
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getElementById('title') = `You are reading: <bdi>{$title}</bdi>`
14:58:11 [atsushi]
r12a: default sinario to have bdi, but even if not you should have dir for changing direction
14:58:52 [atsushi]
addison: depends on situation, you should have bdi, direction or auto
14:59:11 [atsushi]
r12a: will read carefully
14:59:38 [atsushi]
addison: discussed last week, and to have examples. and added some here
15:00:00 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 6
15:00:00 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- Kashmiri/Uighur/Urdu FPWD -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:00:23 [atsushi]
r12a: plain text example is not identical to html one
15:01:47 [atsushi]
+1 for FPWD
15:02:02 [atsushi]
addison: back to FPWDs, and resolved
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RESOLVED: publish arab-ks, arab-ug, and arab-ur as FPWD
15:02:27 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 9
15:02:27 [Zakim]
agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:30 [r12a]
ACTION ri: Review https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers
15:03:31 [gb]
Created -> action #105 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/105
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rrsagent, make log public
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/06/06-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:03 [addison]
zakim, who is here?
15:04:03 [Zakim]
Present: Addison, JcK
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On IRC I see JcK, atsushi, najib, RRSAgent, Zakim, addison, r12a, fantasai, florian, agendabot, Bert, csarven, astearns, hsivonen, koji, eemeli, gb, xfq, Mek, alastairc, Rachael,
15:04:05 [Zakim]
... hadleybeeman, cwilso
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present+ Atsushi, Richard
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15:04:28 [addison]
zakim, bye
15:04:28 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, JcK, Atsushi, Richard
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