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18:17:21 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:17:30 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Teleconference
18:17:42 <janina> Date: 29 May 2024
18:17:47 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:18:02 <janina> agenda+Welcome & Introductions (As needed)
18:18:43 <janina> agenda+CG Overview: Where we are, and what we're developing
18:19:08 <janina> agenda+Capabilities Development (Continued)
18:19:16 <janina> agenda+Actions and Next Steps
18:19:25 <janina> agenda+Be Done
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18:31:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
18:36:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:36:22 <janina> present+
18:36:24 <janina> scribe+
18:36:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
18:41:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
18:41:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome & Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:41:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We have received regrets.
18:41:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
18:41:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:41:25 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:41:25 <Zakim> 2. CG Overview: Where we are, and what we're developing [from janina]
18:41:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Automatability
18:41:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I cleaned up the document
18:42:39 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11yedge/2024May/0011.html
18:42:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for details see link, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11yedge/2024May/0011.html
18:43:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We resume 'automatabilities' from the heading, Accessibility Provider Identification
18:44:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Accessibility Issue Reporting is really about Accessibility Issue Reportability, is it possible to report Accessibility issues
18:45:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We expect to have a specification at some point specifying a well known destination for reporting accessibility issues
18:49:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: automation can help create the trouble ticket as well.
18:50:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: I can think of many situations where automation would be quite challenging
19:05:14 <janina> https://w3c.github.io/ctaur/
19:10:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: I'd like to clarify what we mean by automatability
19:10:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are assuming that we cannot change what people are doing right now
19:11:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are not assuming that given, if websites and their managers did so-and-so, then we would be automatable
19:11:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... instead, we are looking at how technologies can change user outcomes in the current environment and scenarios
19:12:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I was thinking, how could this be useful outside of the community of people who do accessibility
19:12:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... imagine coming to a CMS provider and saying, here are things that you can do in your CMS to help your users
19:12:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is not about debating whether overlays are making false claims or not
19:13:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is about CMSs and entitites that makes thousands of websites, how they can improve their user outcomes
19:13:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this focus can set us up for a bigger goal
19:13:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... browsers can do a better job, CMSs can do a better job
19:20:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We labeled each item. Good work team!
19:20:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Next steps
19:21:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I will find that orphaned H1 after the Appendix
19:21:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: Propose we discuss the big picture question next time
19:23:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I propose post-source
19:23:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... 'Accessibility at the Edge' encompasses the technologies that we might agree are post-source
19:23:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I have made a list of those technologies; you might add more
19:24:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Getting back to my actions, I will check the nesting
19:24:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for next time, we either have the high level discussion, or go through the H2s and think about organization
19:29:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> jason: I'm on board H2s
19:31:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:31:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Jason
19:31:58 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:32:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/29-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:32:07 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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