IRC log of maturity on 2024-05-22
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
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- meeting: Maturity Model
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- present+
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- chair: Fazio
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- Agenda+ New Business
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- Agenda+ Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension
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- Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update
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- Agenda+ Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
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- /issues/154 -> #154
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- Agenda+ Github #156 Issue Section 3.5: proof points should consider whether people with disabilities actually were included in the workforce as a result of the efforts made.
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- /issues/156 -> #156
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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- Janina: Will not attend W3C meetings the second week of June
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- Fazio: Conference of State PArties is coming up (US, CAN, Mexico...examples fo state parties). This is the one on rights of people with disabilities. Happens eveyr June-ish.
- 15:07:31 [Stacey]
- Janina: need to come in under an NGO (called non-profit in the US)
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Github Issues 43, 78, 85, 102, 103, 104 (Usability doc feedback) – Look at Procurement Dimension -- taken up [from Fazio]
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- 15:16:31 [CharlesL]
- Pull request: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/pull/207#issuecomment-2121389183
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- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/pull/207 -> Pull Request 207 Updated "Communications" section (usability doc) (by swinehartganderson)
- 15:16:58 [Stacey]
- Stacey: Fixed the Github desktop issue with Charles, put in the first pull request. Will send each dimension updates as individual pull requests.
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- Fazio: Can we add for all dimensions for the Evaluation section that was added (since we removed the term "outcome" but kept the outcome descriptors..."the level is [insert stage name like Inactive] if proof points demonstrate that:"
- 15:20:41 [Stacey]
- Janina: can we replace "if" with "when"?
- 15:21:44 [Fazio]
- The level is <b>Inactive</b> if:</p>
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- <ul>
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- <li>no effort has been made or only isolated efforts have been identified.</li>
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- </ul>
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- <p>The level is <b>Launch</b> if:</p>
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- <ul>
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- <li>some plans are in place to make internal and external communications accessible (and compliant with accessibility regulations, where applicable), but those plans haven't materialized into a cohesive roadmap</li>
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- <li>plans are in place to provide training on accessible communications knowledge and skills relevant to each individual's position.</li>
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- </ul>
- 15:23:29 [Stacey]
- Jeff: "Your proof point is in this stage when it's in this level"
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- Fazio: that's the same thing
- 15:24:07 [Fazio]
- The level is <b>Inactive</b> if:</p>
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- <ul>
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- <li>no effort has been made or only isolated efforts have been identified.</li>
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- </ul>
- 15:24:08 [Fazio]
- <p>The level is Launch when your proof points demonstrate that:
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- <ul>
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- <li>some plans are in place to make internal and external communications accessible (and compliant with accessibility regulations, where applicable), but those plans haven't materialized into a cohesive roadmap</li>
- 15:24:09 [Fazio]
- <li>plans are in place to provide training on accessible communications knowledge and skills relevant to each individual's position.</li>
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- </ul>
- 15:25:26 [CharlesL]
- (This pasted above doesn't include David's suggested changes.)
- 15:29:38 [Stacey]
- Fazio: let's focus on the structure doc updates, then come back and update content after/edit and tighten the content for the level definitions
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- Stacey: My goal for finishing the pull requests is by next meeting
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- Charles: I'm just helping with Github issues, she's doing all the work. For pull request, add in what changes are made (like the content update) and add a re-request to review. Push update to existing pull request. In website say "re-review for Charles"
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Maturity Model Scoring Subgroup Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
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- Jeff: no updates on scoring
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? [from Fazio]
- 15:36:46 [gb]
- /issues/154 -> #154
- 15:38:12 [Stacey]
- Jeff: do we want to use the update draft excel spreadsheet into the web and delete the drafts folder?
- 15:39:16 [Stacey]
- Charles: I'll put in the spreadsheet link separate from Stacey's updates/pull requests
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? -- taken up [from Fazio]
- 15:40:10 [CharlesL]
- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154
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- https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included? (by jasonjgw)
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- Github Issue #154 Section 3.3.1: can a measure of support effectiveness be included?
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- Jeff: in each dimension, there's a goal for establishing goals or metrics
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- Fazio: a proof point may or may not apply...should it be with outcomes?
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- Jeff: I think it's a proof point, a global one that goes in every dimension.
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- Fazio: outcomes defines what stage. Which stage would that proof point apply to?
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- Jeff: all. it's a maturity level.
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- Fazio: how say it is required for each dimension?
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- Jeff: metrics are established and tracked to improve all aspects of this dimension...
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- Stacey: Stacey will add a comment in #154 on a proposed structure for adding in establishing goals and outcomes.
- 15:57:47 [Stacey]
- Fazio: to Jeff's point, I think I align. In 3.2.1.1 proof point for knowledge and skills...do we want to follow this or have it in the stages? "Knowledge and skills may include, but not limited to..."
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- Fazio: we should invite Jason to discuss
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Stacey, janina, Dr_Keith, CharlesL, jlkline
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/22-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, Stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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