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14:53:25 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:53:26 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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14:53:47 <AvneeshSingh> chair: AvneeshSingh
14:54:26 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Further updates to the principles document for issue #262
14:54:46 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Review of in-progress techniques documents
14:55:00 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ How to facilitate discussions for helping implementors?
14:55:20 <AvneeshSingh> agenda+ Any other business.
14:58:50 <AvneeshSingh> present+ GeorgeK
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15:02:42 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, agendum [3]
15:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum [3]', AvneeshSingh
15:03:13 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: we start with 3. How to facilitate discussions for helping implementors? as rick has to leave later.
15:03:59 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: do we want to take time to discuss with implementers? Out of thise call.
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15:04:24 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:04:32 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: what is the best way forward to monitor and help implementors.
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15:06:56 <AvneeshSingh> ack ric
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15:07:35 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: in France, one implemeted for bookshops, one is to do it by september (that covers bokkshops portals). Libraries we have no date yet.
15:08:36 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:08:50 <gautierchomel> rickj: As implementer we may want to discuss during this meeting, with all of you. Maybe the process is to clearly schedule agenda items. I would prefer to avoid to have separate meetings.
15:09:12 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:09:13 <rickj> +1
15:09:21 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: ok, so general questions to be adressed in this call and if technical question, we'll ask the editors.
15:10:11 <gpellegrino> q+
15:10:43 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: proposed process is that implementers with questions create issue on the github issue tracker or reach to editors if not confident with github. From the issue we'll decide if there is a need to discuss with editors or general group.
15:11:21 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:11:27 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:11:57 <gautierchomel> q+
15:12:37 <gpellegrino> +1 to George: make a call for implementers
15:12:57 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:13:04 <gautierchomel> gpellegrino: we can create an issue to ask for feedbacks so we can have a list of implemetors and questions. Still they can create a new issue, but we can have a main issue to track things.
15:13:09 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:14:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:15:16 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:15:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Further updates to the principles document for issue #262 -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:15:16 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: we'll probably diersify feedback collection, including information webinars when the documents are publics and direct contacts.
15:15:53 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/draft/principles/?updated
15:17:53 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:17:54 <gautierchomel> georgekersher: this are clarifications for cases where an implementer want to always display something for all informations and other edgecases related to unknown values because metadata are missing.
15:18:16 <rickj> q+
15:18:50 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
15:18:51 <gautierchomel> georgekersher: i think we can still do things a bit better for Hazards. the rest in in good shape.
15:20:36 <gautierchomel> rickj: what if we have claims being made in key information, but not sufficient metadata to be sure (example, some claims about navigation but not suficient to be sure of the statement).
15:20:54 <gautierchomel> rickj: I will write it up as an issue so we can discuss.
15:21:29 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:21:51 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
15:21:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of in-progress techniques documents -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
15:22:20 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/draft/techniques/onix-metadata/index.html
15:24:54 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:25:27 <gautierchomel> gautierchomel: the Navigation (4.5) is now published. Chris is working on Additional accessibility information and we keep Conformance for the end.
15:26:03 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:26:04 <gautierchomel> Chris: i am note sure about the level of detail to inform for additional informations.
15:26:45 <gautierchomel> Chris: I'll create an issue for that so we can discuss and have a feedback from the group.
15:27:13 <gautierchomel> georgekersher: do we envision we can remove the less importants, non used or implemented?
15:28:17 <rickj> I have to leave the call.  Thank you for adjusting the agenda to accommodate my schedule.
15:28:35 <AvneeshSingh> q?
15:30:06 <gautierchomel> AvneeshSingh: early end for this call, let's continue discussions and work thru the github.
15:30:40 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/09-pcg-a11y-minutes.html AvneeshSingh
15:30:51 <AvneeshSingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:31:44 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, bye
15:31:44 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AvneeshSingh, GeorgeK, rickj, ChrisOliverOttawa, gpellegrino, gautierchomel, Madeleine, Bill_Kasdorf
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