IRC log of apa on 2024-05-08

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 08 May 2024
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Chair: Matthew, Janina
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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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Agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
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agenda+ CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned
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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ be done
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/join #rqtf
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present+
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scribe+
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: janina
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Roy, gb, janina, slightlyoff, tink, ada, Rachael, cwilso, agendabot, jcraig
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present+ scott
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scott: Started adding content noting there are so many possible directions
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scott: We'll need to scope re a11y
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scott: working on identifying main players and how they're supporting pwd
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scott: process is key -- have started notes on what would be beneficial
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scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that
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scott: some app environments do better than others with that
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q+ to suggest users should be able to specify their preferred ai
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present+ Raja
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raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any way
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scott: Could it help? Potentially
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Oops!
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, scott, Raja
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zakim, start meeting
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zakim, start meeting
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zakim, bye
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zakim, start meeting
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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Date 08 May 2024
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< janina> scott: Started adding content noting there are so many possible directions
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< janina> scott: We'll need to scope re a11y
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< janina> scott: working on identifying main players and how they're supporting pwd
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< janina> scott: process is key -- have started notes on what would be beneficial
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< janina> scott: e.g. alt text; already tools that do that
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< janina> scott: some app environments do better than others with that
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< janina> q+ to suggest users should be able to specify their preferred ai * Zakim sees janina on the speaker queue
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< janina> present+ Raja * Roy janina, I guess you are in wrong channel
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< janina> raja: The a-i interpreter is just not ready in any way
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< janina> scott: Could it help? Potentially
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13:24:26 [janina]
Chair: Matthew, Janina
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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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Agenda+ TPAC 2024 Planning Begins
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agenda+ CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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agenda+ HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://github.com/issues/assigned
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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ be done
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/join #rqtf
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regrets: Niklas_Egger
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present+
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: janina
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Roy, gb, janina, slightlyoff, tink, ada, Rachael, cwilso, agendabot, jcraig
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meeting
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meeting?
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meeting:
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meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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Chair: janina, matthew
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present+
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present+
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agenda?
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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scribe: Gottfried
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present +
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zakim, open item 1
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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present+
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scribe+
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Gottfried: Workshop on collaborative editing, https://ws-a11y-muc2024.wineme.wiwi.uni-siegen.de/
14:04:28 [janina]
APA's Collaborative Tools work is here:
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https://w3c.github.io/ctaur/
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... CTAUR could be a good intro into the workshop
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janina: This document is close to publication. We need a wider community review. Will probably be finalized in July.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- TPAC 2024 Planning Begins -- taken up [from janina]
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janina: We need to get a Wiki page started.
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q+
14:07:21 [Gottfried]
... Active request from media interest group.
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... Revisit our minutes from last year. What do we want to achieve with them?
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... We could talk about things such as AI
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q?
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ack ma
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matatk: Deadline for us to tell organizers is looming.
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... Break-out might be useful for dissemination of APA results.
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present+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- CSS View Transitions https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192 -- taken up [from janina]
14:10:58 [matatk]
gb, off
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matatk, issues and names were already off.
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https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/192
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matatk: Peter Linz raised this issue.
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... View transitions should be disablable
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... The question is how to do this.
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... Media query is for reduced motion, not "no motion".
14:13:35 [Fazio]
ask that phd student that presented to us
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matatk: TAG discussed this.
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q?
14:14:44 [Gottfried]
... Do we want to see a resolution to this issue? (Tag "a11y-needs-resolution")
14:15:16 [Gottfried]
... If i receive no objection, i will put that label on.
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(no objection)
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janina: Mechanism how to do this is not important for us.
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scribe+
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Fazio: Remember the presentation we had on Media Queries from a few years back: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/video-examples
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RESOLUTION: APA would like to see view transitions disablable.
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html matatk
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ack me
14:17:47 [Fazio]
Thx Matt. It's a really goood presentation
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
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scribe+
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present+
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topic: EAA and Ebook Requirements
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html janina
14:22:33 [NehaJ]
Gottfried as per latest european a11y act says ebooks should follow WCAG 2.0
14:24:12 [janina]
q+ to suggest we need to bring in epu a11y people for options based on what's achievable
14:24:23 [NehaJ]
Gottfried WCAG 2.0 A level compliance discripancy between ebooks , pdf and epub
14:24:45 [NehaJ]
Gottfried changes in the act may take longer time
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Gottfried goal is to comply with WCAG 2.2 AA
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q+
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q?
14:26:42 [NehaJ]
janina focus should be can we resolve this discripancy
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acj janina
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ack janina
14:26:54 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to suggest we need to bring in epu a11y people for options based on what's achievable
14:27:02 [Fazio]
Turkey requires ebook accessibility for all new publications
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q+
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q?
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ack pa
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ack PaulG
14:28:46 [NehaJ]
PaulG ebooks are covered under products section
14:29:18 [NehaJ]
PaulG links for discripancy may be helpful to recheck
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janina links are added in email thread
14:30:33 [NehaJ]
Gottfried EAA applies to b2c and not for b2b
14:31:39 [janina]
Discussion on APA email list here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2024May/0006.html
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q?
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ack Gottfried
14:33:24 [NehaJ]
Gottfried point should be a11y standards should be same for epub and pdf
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ack Gottfried
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q?
14:35:44 [Gottfried]
Here is the exempt for ebooks:
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https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/enorm/mandate/587_en
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Document: https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/documents-register/detail?ref=C%282022%296456&lang=en
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page 2: "In line with feedback received from European Publishers and confirmed by representative organizations of persons with disabilities referring to the availability of EPUB accessibility technical specifications under W3C e-books and dedicated software should be excluded from this request."
14:38:59 [NehaJ]
janina it is not correct as per WCAG
14:39:04 [Gottfried]
scribe+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5 -- HR A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:40:24 [matatk]
s/it is not correct as per WCAG/that's not what W3C agreed to - my recollection is there was an exemption for small publishers only/
14:40:35 [Gottfried]
Roy: Request for comments from CSS
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subtopic: [mediaqueries-5] `prefers-interaction-side` media query & `interaction-side` property
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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/10244
14:42:12 [Gottfried]
PaulG: Very interesting read. Very specific use cases. Ultra-wide monitors, but proper JS eventing needed, because changing orientation is more complicated.
14:42:24 [Gottfried]
... If you have other use cases or ideas, should be added.
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q?
14:44:00 [Gottfried]
matatk: Operating systems and software have catered for ultra-wide monitors. MacOS, Unix, InkScape, ... This needs to be supported in the native app. On the Web, we don't have that restriction.
14:44:41 [Gottfried]
... Scope creep?
14:45:07 [Gottfried]
... Long thread, but good diagrams.
14:46:27 [Gottfried]
... Two issues: (1) General preference of where the active controls should be. (2) Purposely reposition a toolbar due to preferences. Can we solve both issues with this?
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 6 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
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Roy: Nothing
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matatk: There is something old.
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subtopic: Ethical Web Principles
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https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/75
14:48:03 [Gottfried]
... We got good feedback on privacy principles from TAG. Now focus on ethical web principles.
14:49:08 [Gottfried]
... Many ways of embodying these principles - more general.
14:49:30 [Gottfried]
... Let us know if you have feedback.
14:50:31 [Gottfried]
... For feedback, use our mailing list. We need to wrap this review up as quickly as we can.
14:50:49 [Gottfried]
... We are looking for high-level feedback. Is there anything important missing?
14:50:57 [Gottfried]
... Let's talk about it next week.
14:51:37 [Gottfried]
... The UN recently mentioned the TAG's ethical web principles.
14:52:39 [Gottfried]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 6 closed
14:52:40 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
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agenda?
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agenda?
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zakim, open item 10
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agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:53:17 [Gottfried]
janina: Still activity of FAST tf.
14:53:42 [Gottfried]
... I will follow up on this with Michael Cooper.
14:53:46 [matatk]
q+
14:54:01 [Gottfried]
... This is an area of ongoing interest - good to see this happen in the community group.
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q?
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ack matatk
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, PaulG, matatk, Nichole, mike_beganyi, NehaJ, Gottfried, Fazio, Fredrik
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items