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18:06:32 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
18:06:33 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:06:49 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Teleconference
18:06:56 <janina> Date: 08 May 2024
18:07:01 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:07:13 <janina> agenda+Welcome & Introductions (As needed)
18:07:44 <janina> agenda+ Continued Capabilities Development https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/
18:07:55 <janina> agenda+Next Steps
18:08:01 <janina> agenda+Be done
18:29:26 <janina> present+
18:29:32 <janina> zakim, who's here?
18:29:32 <Zakim> Present: janina
18:29:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, dmontalvo
18:38:03 <janina> present+ Jason
18:38:22 <janina> present+ Lionel
18:38:52 <janina> zakim, next item
18:38:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome & Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:39:06 <janina> All old hands today!
18:39:15 <janina> zakim, close this item
18:39:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:39:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:39:17 <Zakim> 2. Continued Capabilities Development https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/ [from janina]
18:39:21 <janina> zakim, next item
18:39:21 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Continued Capabilities Development https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/ -- taken up [from janina]
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18:47:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:47:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
18:47:50 <Zakim> Present: janina, Jason, Lionel, Lionel_Wolberger
18:47:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, dmontalvo
18:47:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Chris
18:47:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
18:47:59 <Zakim> Present: janina, Jason, Lionel, Lionel_Wolberger, Chris
18:48:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, dmontalvo
18:48:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
18:48:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
18:55:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Can auto-play videos pause be automatable?
18:55:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... after discussion, in some cases
18:58:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: We can't just say it is automatable, we should say how it is automatable
18:58:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: Discussing the difference between personalization and DOM changes
19:00:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... CSS personalization is something that the browser knows how to do
19:00:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... one form of technology is changing the client-side code
19:00:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... another kind of technology is enabling users to change browser preferences
19:07:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Personalization is almost 95% CSS changes
19:07:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Jason: You are manipulating the CSS, you are not changing the CSS
19:10:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: When Jason says, 'can I fix code after source' is different from 'can I offer a button to end users to change contrast'
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19:28:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: Next week we discuss only automatability until we finish that pass
19:29:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: Next agenda, we discuss whether we will keep the "at source" and "tradeoffs"
19:29:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we also need to read through our H2s and H3s
19:30:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... then at some point we can integrate Lionel's edits, either paragraph by paragraph or as a whole
19:31:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: In the effort to make more accessibility available to a user through the automation and CSS customization
19:31:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it would be helpful to remind people that they have set their defaults a certain way
19:32:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... prevent 'brain lock' and lead to users thinking they are committed to the settings that they have
19:32:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: FYI
19:32:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Chris: Outside of current discussion  but want to share before meeting comes to close :
19:32:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> Gen Herres gave excellent presentation about doing accessibility audits of Wordpress sites. This is the video, recap and transcript: http://meet.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=u001.4EFjBIldFy4a5ssUYIkkHKgkep-2ByC3uRxXOwBBYM6W65DN7JJAsUM7OMksYOBe-2Bq1xcuzFiBnEwtxRf-2FSxYdzgSiIsvVyTwoYjoitpA2rHDbQWX53kd0RDZt9MobM73gd-2BzWbVhpQc4iq-2BzBhiabdzhWcVLiZO0WoW4oaK
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19:33:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
19:33:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Jason, Lionel, Lionel_Wolberger, Chris
19:33:03 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:33:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/05/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
19:33:10 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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22:24:10 <janina> zakim, bye
22:24:15 <janina> rrsagent, bye
22:24:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items