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13:37:57 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:38:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/18-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:38:23 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240418T150000/
13:38:23 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:38:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:38:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:38:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:38:27 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:38:29 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:38:32 <agendabot> agenda+ CLDR and a Locale Service
13:38:34 <agendabot> agenda+ RFC9457
13:38:36 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:38:42 <addison> agenda+ New Thai and Lao lreq docs
13:56:35 <addison> present+ Addison
14:02:33 <atsushi> scribe+
14:02:36 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Bert
14:04:32 <addison> present+ Richard
14:05:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:20 <addison> agenda?
14:05:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:41 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:54 <addison> #90
14:05:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:06:10 <addison> #87
14:06:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87  write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
14:06:26 <atsushi> addison: wrote, no responce yet
14:06:38 <addison> #79
14:06:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79  schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:06:41 <atsushi> s/no responce yet//
14:07:08 <atsushi> addison: next WHATNOT is 18th, will ask them with our list
14:07:11 <addison> #78
14:07:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78  compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:07:13 <atsushi> ... for may
14:07:29 <addison> #77
14:07:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> Action 77  create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07
14:07:32 <atsushi> addison: will be discussed in topic
14:07:45 <addison> #76
14:07:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/76 -> Action 76  propose best practices for producers and for examples in specs in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:08:02 <atsushi> addison: PR raised
14:08:18 <addison> agenda+ string-meta and PR about producers
14:08:37 <addison> #43
14:08:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43  pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
14:08:56 <atsushi> addison: message format will be published today
14:09:01 <addison> #33
14:09:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:09:21 <addison> #12
14:09:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:28 <addison> #8
14:09:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:34 <addison> #7
14:09:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:09:54 <addison> #4
14:09:54 <xfq> present+
14:09:54 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:10:07 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
14:10:13 <xfq> present-
14:10:29 <atsushi> r12a: might someone ping also
14:11:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:11:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:11:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/18-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:11:26 <atsushi> [silent]
14:11:36 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up agendum 4', addison.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:11:56 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:12:09 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:12:36 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:12:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:50 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:13:04 <addison> #1846
14:13:05 <gb> Issue 1846 not found
14:13:14 <addison> w3c/i18n-activity#1846
14:13:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1846 -> Issue 1846 Improve handling of malformed unicode bidi control characters (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq] [whatwg]
14:13:44 <atsushi> addison: break isolation by inserting individual bidi control sequences into text
14:15:04 <atsushi> xfq: they seem wanted to update behaviors?
14:16:34 <atsushi> addison: only happens when user inputs bidi controls
14:17:05 <atsushi> addison: challenge is easy to describe but hard to implement
14:18:27 <atsushi> r12a: should already happen within content editable ones
14:19:57 <atsushi> addison: it seems, to isolate unicode bidi with inserting specifical bdi/bdo-s
14:20:55 <atsushi> xfq: bdi is designed to isolate bidi control, but bidi control characters are directly inserted, it will be broken..
14:21:25 <atsushi> ... may need to think about side effects
14:22:54 <atsushi> xfq: have we WG consensus on this?
14:23:10 <atsushi> addison: I think we want to right things happen...
14:23:22 <atsushi> ... solution could be more complex than he coded here
14:24:54 <atsushi> addison: like pdi or fbi
14:25:08 <addison> action: addison: respond to i18n-activity#1846
14:25:16 <gb> Created -> action #91 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/91
14:25:18 <addison> s/fbi/fsi/
14:25:19 <atsushi> addison: actioned to myself to respond on this
14:26:14 <addison> w3c/i18n-activity#1844
14:26:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1844 -> Issue 1844 Add getOSLanguage proposal (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:webextensions] [cg:webextensions]
14:26:55 <atsushi> addison: it's to get OS language to be used by browser
14:27:52 <atsushi> xfq: without using browser accept-language, but system language
14:29:16 <atsushi> r12a: it's good to be aware of accept-language, not OS language
14:30:21 <xfq> scribe+
14:30:22 <xfq> atsushi: if A-L in English but OS lang is Japanese
14:30:50 <xfq> s/A-L/Accept-Language/
14:31:10 <xfq> ... from i18n point of view it might be better to get these kind of information
14:31:30 <xfq> ... but maybe there are privacy concerns
14:31:34 <atsushi> addison: it's super common that browser set language from OS one
14:31:54 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:32:18 <atsushi> addison: would ping them that privacy is aware on this change
14:32:27 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/issues/252
14:32:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/issues/252 -> Issue 252 Introducing `browser.i18n.getOSLanguage` (by carlosjeurissen) [supportive: chrome] [supportive: safari] [supportive: firefox] [proposal] [topic: localization] [i18n-tracker]
14:32:54 <atsushi> xfq: also RFC id need to be updated
14:33:42 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/rfc3066bis.html
14:34:39 <addison> action: xfq: fix the rfc3066bis page
14:34:40 <gb> Created -> action #92 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/92
14:34:42 <atsushi> xfq: will fix this page
14:35:07 <atsushi> ... could be fixed by redirecting to bcp page
14:36:08 <addison> agenda?
14:36:23 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:36:23 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- New Thai and Lao lreq docs -- taken up [from addison]
14:36:46 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024AprJun/0011.html
14:36:54 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/sealreq/lao/indexnew
14:37:07 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/sealreq/thai/indexnew
14:37:42 <atsushi> r12a: simply copied from my stuff
14:37:58 <atsushi> ... and would want to publish FPWD
14:38:06 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/alreq/indexnew
14:38:35 <atsushi> r12a: also this is alreq long time existing
14:39:40 <atsushi> addison: arabic one is quite nice
14:40:16 <atsushi> ... need resolution for two FPWDs
14:40:39 <addison> proposed: publish a first public working draft of lao and thai layout requirements (two documents)
14:40:45 <atsushi> +1
14:40:47 <r12a> +1
14:40:47 <addison> +1
14:40:48 <Bert> +1
14:40:49 <xfq> <xfq> +1
14:41:04 <atsushi> <atsushi> +1
14:41:10 <addison> RESOLVED: publish lao layout requirements and thai layout requirements as fpwd
14:42:01 <atsushi> r12a: next is for chinese layout, and will plan to link to clreq
14:42:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/pull/603 -> Pull Request 603 Move editors to authors (by xfq)
14:42:31 <atsushi> ... clreq colleagues updates
14:43:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:43:08 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- RFC9457 -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:43:34 <atsushi> addison: followed up with them on anything to say
14:43:37 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2024Apr/0014.html
14:43:39 <atsushi> ... some comment provided
14:44:11 <atsushi> ... one is to fix RFC, another is how you all like to review IETF stuff?
14:45:09 <atsushi> addison: any comment?
14:46:03 <atsushi> [discussion on I-Ds]
14:46:32 <addison> agenda?
14:46:37 <atsushi> addison: keep action item open.
14:46:41 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:46:41 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CLDR and a Locale Service -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:47:02 <atsushi> addison: wrote to Unicode, and got some responces
14:47:41 <atsushi> addison: they are about publishing CLDR 45
14:47:49 <atsushi> ... will take some more time
14:48:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:48:33 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- string-meta and PR about producers -- taken up [from addison]
14:48:49 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/86
14:48:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/86 -> Pull Request 86 Add best practices for writing examples and for producers (by aphillips)
14:48:57 <atsushi> addison: one open PR above
14:48:59 <addison> https://deploy-preview-86--string-meta.netlify.app/
14:49:30 <atsushi> ... do need to identify some more?
14:50:16 <addison> https://deploy-preview-86--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-producers
14:50:25 <addison> https://deploy-preview-86--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-writing-spec-examples
14:50:43 <atsushi> addison: one section for producers, another for examples
14:52:17 <atsushi> xfq: we only have note for producers, but not for consumers
14:52:36 <atsushi> addison: some difference on two, it's document for spec authors
14:53:19 <atsushi> addison: we could add more stuff later
14:53:29 <atsushi> xfq: seems good to me
14:53:52 <atsushi> r12a: in my rader, commit and will comment later
14:53:57 <atsushi> addison: will merge
14:54:11 <addison> agenda?
14:54:43 <addison> close #76
14:54:44 <gb> Closed -> issue #76 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/76
14:55:16 <addison> action: addison: create best practices for consumers in string-meta
14:55:17 <gb> Created -> action #93 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93
14:55:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:55:45 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:55:59 <atsushi> [silent]
14:56:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/18-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:56:49 <xfq> chair: addison
14:57:03 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/18-i18n-minutes.html xfq