12:33:59 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:34:04 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-rqtf-irc 12:34:05 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:34:06 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw 12:34:12 meeting: RQTF meeting 12:34:18 chair: jasonjgw 12:34:20 present+ 12:34:22 scribe+ 12:34:36 agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. 12:34:36 agenda+ [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). 12:34:39 agenda+ Immersive captions. 12:34:41 agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics. 12:54:21 janina has joined #rqtf 12:54:27 agenda? 12:54:39 zakim, who's here? 12:54:39 Present: jasonjgw 12:54:41 On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, kirkwood, gb, alastairc, Rachael 12:55:02 present+ 13:01:52 scott_h has joined #rqtf 13:02:18 present+ 13:02:44 Raja_Kushalnagar has joined #rqtf 13:02:54 scribe+ 13:03:03 present+ Raja 13:03:24 zakim, next item 13:03:24 agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:03:42 jason: changes we're going ot make 13:04:01 Janina had beginnings of additional requirement for Seciton 9 13:04:12 janian: evolved on CGOA 13:05:16 Scott: identified references relevant to the use of desktop and Web-based UI conventions. 13:05:33 scot: following up on actio form two weeks ago, ciruclated references to list 13:05:53 focused on UI deskltp v web optimised in look and feel of collaborative tools 13:07:16 janina: so expecting a better understanding of section 9 - wh to what degree soudl a web app borrow from conventions 13:07:46 DavidSwallow has joined #rqtf 13:08:36 jason: great. so how ot progress? 13:09:04 david: had COGA meeting, agreed on outstnaidng issues 13:09:19 list created 13:10:40 janina: issues were primarily from Seciton 9 in preovus dicussion 13:11:17 david: general comments: 13:11:31 first comment: glossary of icons and symbols 13:12:12 janina: happy to add a glosary, requesting COGA to provide 13:12:30 if COGA provides text, will reate glossary 13:14:21 scott: can we have a timeframe for COGA to respond? 13:14:42 janina: yes, ahve requested in reference to April /May 13:15:09 david: commetns about reference to non-normative guidance 13:15:30 janina: has already been changed two weeks ago, issue addressed 13:16:25 "improving accessibility for people with cognitive and learning disabilities is addressed in [coga-usable]." 13:17:10 janna: agreed 13:18:05 david: rest referers to difficulty finding items inteh document 13:19:14 janina: agreed Seciton 9 could expand issues not covered, will look at specific suggestions 13:20:24 janina regarding symobls: need to be careful as there's no spec yet 13:21:53 AAC currently in CR coudl be referenced once its published 13:22:49 jason: coudl put a note to the CR/under devleopment 13:23:57 janina: lets reference developing AAC guidance 13:24:34 in terms of where it goes, some confusion between 10a and 19a by COGA, will look to confirm 13:25:27 david: some concern that icons and symbols were being conflated 13:25:34 janina: resolved by pointing to the work on symbols 13:31:17 david: next issue of using plain languag enames, e.g. using chat instead of IRC 13:31:44 coudl vendor specific go into the glossary 13:31:46 janina; yes 13:32:13 jason: don't think IRC is in the document 13:32:31 janina: let's get specifics 13:32:36 jason: reviisng Seciotn 9 coudl cover that 13:34:07 david: feedback on optional user interface dicussion 13:35:04 jason: suggestion is collaborative enviroments shouldn't be forced ot use its interface, API could use with own tool which has accessibility advantages, e.g. familiarity 13:35:16 go as additional Section 9 requirement 13:35:37 janina: yes, provide an API 13:36:02 jason: doens't remove need to make their own UI accessible, but does provide additonal options 13:37:54 david: avoid and correct mistakes needed 13:38:40 scott: in WCAG 3.3 so important to all web content including collaboraiton tools, not unique here 13:39:20 jason: see if WCAG reference fits but agreed it's not unique here 13:40:52 david: attention control guidance 13:41:04 janina: too general 13:41:13 shoudl be specificlaly content usable, 13:43:25 zakim, next item 13:43:25 agendum 2 -- [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:44:24 jason: does it adequately address privay isue? 13:46:39 jjanina: would like to see a more general privacy statemetn from W3C that can be adopted rather than everone having thier own 13:48:12 jason: EU has good process 13:48:28 janina: good to keep reading 13:48:56 jason: on accessibility, concerns mianly what can be inferred by interaction of user 13:49:14 not about disclosure, but inference that can be drawn 13:50:10 zakim, next item 13:50:10 agendum 3 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:50:32 no report/URI yet 13:51:01 APA will suport progress to FPWD 13:51:06 raja: has been completed, ready to go forward 13:51:14 janina: can start reading it? 13:51:16 raja: yes 13:51:25 jason: read it fairly recently, seems reasonble 13:51:32 formal changes needed 13:53:20 raja: let me know if need anything 13:53:28 janina: need ot thik about how to promote it for wide review 13:54:19 zakim, next item 13:54:19 agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:54:40 janina: IRC lounge tool 13:54:43 https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge/issues 13:55:05 can log issues 13:55:12 scott: seems more stable this time but was an issue with dropouts last time 13:55:18 janina: conrast issues are present 13:55:51 scott: did have these issues last itme, looks liek some improvemetns 13:57:06 zakim, end meeting 13:57:06 As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, Raja 13:57:08 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:57:09 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim 13:57:16 I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 13:57:16 Zakim has left #rqtf 13:57:56 rrsagent, bye 13:57:56 I see no action items