13:49:11 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:49:15 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-irc 13:49:20 Zakim has joined #i18n 13:49:35 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:49:40 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:49:49 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240411T150000/ 13:49:49 clear agenda 13:49:49 agenda+ Agenda Review 13:49:49 agenda+ Action Items 13:49:51 agenda+ Info Share 13:49:53 agenda+ RADAR Review 13:49:55 agenda+ Pending Issue Review 13:49:58 agenda+ needs-attention issue review 13:50:00 agenda+ String-Meta additions of best practices for Producers 13:50:03 agenda+ AOB? 13:50:23 agenda+ Add dark mode support for specdev 13:50:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-minutes.html addison 14:01:10 JcK has joined #i18n 14:01:15 present+ Addison, Fuqiao, Richard 14:02:26 present+ Bert 14:03:29 scribe+ 14:03:42 present+ JcK 14:04:09 agenda? 14:04:21 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:04:21 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:40 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:04:40 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:04:52 #88 14:04:53 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/88 -> Action 88 approach Unicode about operating a URL for locale-ids (on aphillips) due 2024-04-11 14:05:12 addison: I did #88. Looped Felix in. 14:05:45 ... So far neither accepted nor rejected. May be headed to a URN-type solution. 14:05:54 close #88 14:05:55 Closed -> issue #88 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/88 14:06:00 #87 14:06:00 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04 14:06:35 #82 14:06:35 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/82 -> Action 82 publish khmer lreq as FPWD with new format (on r12a) due 2024-03-21 14:06:39 addison: Thanks JcK for the email addresses. But I haven't sent yet. 14:06:52 close #82 14:06:54 Closed -> issue #82 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/82 14:06:57 #79 14:06:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:07:07 #78 14:07:08 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:07:21 #77 14:07:21 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/77 -> Action 77 create an issue against html requesting the list of named entities based on work in action 73 (on r12a) due 2024-03-07 14:07:44 r12a: I created a pending issue to discuss. 14:08:04 agenda+ named entity issue 14:08:08 ... We talked about it and said we should all read it. 14:08:18 #76 14:08:19 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/76 -> Action 76 propose best practices for producers and for examples in specs in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07 14:08:36 #75 14:08:37 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/75 -> Action 75 work on developing new specdev material about IDNs/domain names/etc. (on xfq) due 2024-02-29 14:09:11 xfq: I have an action to update the PR, but not done (due to AC meeting). 14:09:15 #43 14:09:16 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18 14:09:24 #3 14:09:25 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/3 -> CLOSED Action 3 Give ghurlbot access to write to the repo (on r12a) due 18 Jul 2023 14:09:26 #33 14:09:27 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips) 14:09:44 addison: On the agenda for later. 14:09:57 #12 14:09:58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:10:17 addison: Will be in a coming meeting. 14:10:41 #8 14:10:41 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023 14:10:48 #7 14:10:49 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023 14:11:07 #4 14:11:08 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023 14:11:27 r12a: Not heard anything back yet. 14:11:31 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:11:31 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:11:37 q+ 14:11:43 ack next 14:12:23 xfq: At the AC meeting there was asession about internet, DNS, the web and the moon & mars. New luna time zone. 14:12:42 ... may be related to our time zone work in the future. 14:13:38 JcK: Did they talk about new DNS infracstructire for DNS servers to talk back and forth? 14:13:45 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:13:45 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:13:49 s/luna time zone/lunar time zone 14:13:54 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 14:14:33 s/asession/a session 14:14:39 Bert: Nothing done yet on poniter events. 14:14:53 addison: I propose to move View Transitions to completed. 14:15:37 atsushi has joined #i18n 14:15:42 ... I looked at my awaiting comment resolutuon specs. All issues addressed. Propose to move to completed. 14:15:50 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:15:50 agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:16:08 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending 14:16:38 i18n-activity#1846 14:16:39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1846 -> Issue 1846 Improve handling of malformed unicode bidi control characters (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [spec-type-issue] [alreq] [hlreq] 14:18:09 addison: Unbalanced bidi controls can break the isolation in browsers, probably due to the way it is implemented. Make it a "needs-resolutuion"? 14:18:29 +1 14:18:38 +1 14:18:47 agenda? 14:18:59 zakim, take up agendum 9 14:18:59 agendum 9 -- Add dark mode support for specdev -- taken up [from addison] 14:19:17 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/130 14:19:17 https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/130 -> Pull Request 130 Add dark mode support (by xfq) 14:19:28 atsushi_ has joined #i18n 14:19:30 https://deploy-preview-130--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/ 14:19:55 xfq: I made a pull request to add dark mode. If your OS uses dark mode, you can see it here ^^ 14:20:48 ... If you think this is good, I can add it to other specs, too. 14:21:17 addison: Some bozes are illegible. 14:21:27 xfq: Hmm, not for me... 14:23:12 r12a, Bert and xfq don't see the same colors as Addison. Why? 14:23:55 People sharing screens to show what they see. 14:26:40 s/bozes/boxes 14:27:29 JcK: Also problems with contrast and colors for color-blind. 14:28:48 xfq: Will do some a11y tests. 14:31:00 action: xfq: update i18n specs to support dark mode 14:31:08 Created -> action #89 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 14:31:30 The Javascript button that switches dark mode does something else than the OS dark mode. That is probably what causes the differences. 14:32:02 r12a: With the JS dark mode, the check boxes actually look more readable. 14:32:23 xfq: A little too prominent. 14:32:45 r12a: Might be OK. When you click to see those boxes, that is what you want to see, 14:32:52 zakim, take up agendum 10 14:32:52 agendum 10 -- named entity issue -- taken up [from addison] 14:33:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq 14:33:17 i18n-activity#1841 14:33:17 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1841 -> Issue 1841 Request for additional named entities for invisible/ambiguous characters (by r12a) [pending] [s:html] [t:char_ref] 14:35:27 r12a: Not sure if it useful to have enitity names for all, e.g., the musical symbols. 14:35:39 addison: The Egyption symbols seem very specialized. 14:36:30 addison: We can just say we have a question about the musical symbold, as we are not musicologists ourselves. 14:36:43 s/symbold/symbols/ 14:37:09 addison: Might be another teleconf discussion with them. 14:37:43 r12a: Anybody have ideas about the Hangul Jamo symbols? They don't seem to work in browswers. 14:38:07 ... the hangul filler character. 14:38:30 xfq: Maybe ask the Korean experts. 14:38:54 addison: What does "don't work" mean? You mean when you put the Unicode chars? 14:39:10 r12a: At least one is in the compatibility area. 14:39:47 addison: Only two variation selectors? 14:40:21 r12a: Only two for emojis. There are others. 14:40:57 addison: Is there a priority order? Things to trade? 14:41:22 r12a: Yes, the ones in italics. 14:42:18 r12a: Korean is a bit unusual. In most language you go for NFC, but in Korean decomposed gives certain possibilities. 14:43:00 ... Writing educational stuff, then bits of syllables are useful. 14:43:22 ... But couldn't find a lot of information about them. 14:43:42 addison: So what do we need to do to submit this? 14:43:53 r12a: An issue in the HTML list, I suppose. 14:44:05 addison: And are we happy with this list? 14:44:20 ... Maybe add some text about what we discussed. 14:45:24 addison: The &zwsp; is mentioned at the bottom, what is that? 14:45:45 ... the U+200B 14:46:18 r12a: Refresh, GitHub swallowed the "​" 14:46:35 addison: Maybe put it in the list, indent it. 14:47:23 Bert: Which ones are for the Egyptian that you mentioned? 14:48:07 agenda? 14:48:13 r12a: They're not in the list yet. Egyptian is 2-dimensional, need to put side-by-side, on top, etc, 14:48:29 zakim, take up agendum 6 14:48:29 agendum 6 -- needs-attention issue review -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:48:49 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aneeds-attention 14:49:33 i18n-activity#1783 14:49:34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1783 -> Issue 1783 CSS `text-spacing` property and its longhands (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:css-text] [needs-attention] [tag-tracker] [other:tag] 14:51:09 xfq: So we're reviewing the request to the TAG? 14:51:32 addison: We're viewing the TAG's decision about 'text-spacing'. 14:51:47 r12a: Complicated, need to do a lot of back reading... 14:53:18 ... I have many issues on my reading list. Would like to keep this issue so I can get to it eventually. Not next week, though. 14:53:25 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1769 14:53:25 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1769 -> Issue 1769 Please reconsider the use of collator-based search (by w3cbot) [tracker] [needs-attention] [t:char_sort] [s:scroll-to-text-fragment] [cg:wicg] 14:54:09 https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/233 14:54:11 https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/233 -> Issue 233 Please reconsider the use of collator-based search (by hsivonen) [i18n-tracker] [spec issue] 14:55:10 xfq: Seems to need a "needs-resolution" label. 14:55:17 addison: Added. 14:55:40 xfq: It's related to our string search, but not the same mechanism. 14:56:12 action: addison: steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search 14:56:12 addison: We can steal from hsivonen's work for this issue for our own string search. 14:56:12 Created -> action #90 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 14:57:31 agenda? 14:58:16 zakim, take up agendum 8 14:58:16 agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 14:58:23 addison: I did a revision for string-meta. Not merged the PR yet. Come back to it next week. Please, look at at. 14:59:08 zakim, who is here? 14:59:08 Present: Addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Bert, JcK 14:59:10 On IRC I see atsushi_, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, matrix638, mbinzo, BoKilgore, SintayewGashaw, MojGraph, James1, imlostlmao, clafase, Github, florian, xfq, Mek, csarven, 14:59:10 ... koji, alastairc, astearns, Rachael, hadleybeeman, eemeli, cwilso, hsivonen, Bert, agendabot, gb 14:59:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/11-i18n-minutes.html addison