14:34:17 RRSAgent has joined #voiceinteraction 14:34:21 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-irc 14:34:36 meeting: Voice Interaction 14:34:47 chair: debbie 14:34:53 scribe: ddahl 14:35:01 regrets: Dirk 14:43:40 present: debbie, gerard, hugues 14:44:14 debbie: explains interoperability 14:44:52 hugues: this is dangerous because your personal assistant knows a lot of information that is private 14:45:21 ...I don't know how to teach a machine the different layers of privacy 14:45:47 gerard: need to anonymize the question 14:45:58 hugues: I love the idea 14:46:47 hugues: I am developing two things. I am developing a simple, rule-based dialog system in the interests of getting something to work rapidly 14:47:16 ....when I get the answer from the person I will analyze it in an embedded AI 14:48:11 ...from that I build a Knowledge Graph of the person, then I can query the KG about the person to build the life of the person to be able to write my bio 14:49:32 ...you can tell things to the ghost writer that you don't want to be disclosed to certain people. The human ghost writer can understand that but I don't know how to tell that to the machine. 14:50:11 ...if I give my companion my credit card PIN, it can buy something, but I don't want anyone else to get my PIN 14:50:46 ...people are not supposed to access my companion without authorization, or understand different levels of privacy 14:51:38 ...you can't be sure that people will respect different levels of confidence 14:52:29 gerard: we have to trust our major-dome *personal assistant" 14:52:44 ...like Knowledge Navigator 14:54:04 hugues: how to define rules to keep information secure 14:55:02 ...the KG can mark information as private by adding links to each vertex to indicate level of privacy 14:55:18 ...from 1-10 14:55:58 ...the issue is in a dialog not everything is private, and it's hard to say "this is private" 14:56:38 ...the issue is that you might develop too much confidence in the companion 14:57:21 ...this happens with humans, you might say things that you forget are private. 14:57:37 debbie: link? 14:58:12 hugues: no, but arxiv paper to be presented next week 14:59:15 gerard: presented this work at Conversational Interaction two years ago with Speech Morphing 14:59:43 hugues: what is new is that now we are taking advantage of embedded AI 15:00:19 ...now we are asking for weather, Wikipedia information 15:00:31 ...my own data are not public 15:00:58 ...I've been thinking about this kind of interaction for a long time 15:02:53 ....there is semantics attached to privacy, for example, I know some things in the defense industry, but they don't want to talk about at home 15:02:57 https://hal.science/hal-04378982/document 15:03:16 hugues: this is a very complex subject 15:03:57 ...for example, in the defense industry, they compartementalize information 15:04:22 ...this is a recurring question 15:06:22 https://dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr/TELECOM-SUDPARIS/hal-04392089v1 15:08:32 debbie: two problems how to designate private information in the KG, and how to tell companion that some information is private 15:09:11 hugues: should companion ask the user if information is private 15:10:17 debbie: sometimes you want the companion to buy things for you 15:11:19 ...for example, Alexa can buy things for you 15:12:17 ...could you just ask the user to tell the companion to keep certain information private? 15:12:55 hugues: yes, within a session 15:13:12 ...there is a big problem with the definition of privacy 15:14:05 debbie: a lot of people want to tell you about AI and privacy, but I don't know if they have a clear idea 15:14:38 hugues: you can keep all information in a closed box 15:14:43 present+ dirk 15:15:45 hugues: the simple fact that your companion connects to something means something 15:18:14 ...I'm now working on a closed system, that doesn't connect to the cloud, everything is kept inside the box 15:18:31 ...mostly I query the system myself 15:19:19 ...from that information I can build a biography of the user, when the system writes a biography of the person certain information needs to be kept out 15:19:57 ...some information can be provided to my wife, children 15:20:19 dirk: do you label the information? 15:20:41 hugues: the different kinds of information are recorded in the KG 15:21:32 ...in a graph you have many roads to a certain point, you might get to the information from an unprotected path 15:22:18 ...the user has to say "this information has to be protected" 15:24:59 ...I used to work for the defense industry, we knew that everything in a room has to be confidential, and it's still confidential after we leave the room 15:25:09 ...how can a machine understand that? 15:25:31 https://hal.science/hal-00611090 15:26:13 dirk: also have to consider trusted environment 15:26:45 hugues: in a trusted system we can make rooms so that the system cannot disclose certain things 15:26:53 rrsagent, format minutes 15:26:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-minutes.html ddahl 15:27:03 rrsagent, make logs public 15:28:42 hugues: say I want to buy trousers, the seller will recommend trousers based on my skin color, eye color, information that I would like to keep confidential 15:29:17 dirk: you can derive confidential information from other information that you already know 15:29:42 ...privacy is a lot more than on/off 15:29:51 ...very interesting work 15:30:08 https://hal.science/hal-04181551 15:30:22 https://www.conversationalinteraction.com/_files/ugd/dbc594_69b6e727f5c64020afdc801291a133fc.pdf 15:31:27 debbie: we should take a few weeks to take a look at these papers and invite hugues back 15:31:40 dirk: how can we make use of this work? 15:32:15 hugues: it is not because we don't have the answers that we shouldn't do the work 15:32:25 ...it is a matter of semantics 15:33:15 debbie: can send hugues the link to subscribe 15:34:29 hugues: this is the most important subject in AI 15:35:20 rrsagent, format minutes 15:35:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-minutes.html ddahl 15:37:30 s/*personal assistant"/"personal assistant" 15:39:09 rrsagent, format minutes 15:39:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-voiceinteraction-minutes.html ddahl