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12:46:42 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:46:51 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
12:46:57 <jasonjgw> present+
12:47:02 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:47:05 <jasonjgw> scribe+
12:47:09 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
12:47:09 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/).
12:47:12 <jasonjgw> agenda+ [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/).
12:47:15 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Immersive captions.
12:47:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
12:47:24 <jasonjgw> zakim, agenda?
12:47:24 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
12:47:25 <Zakim> 1. Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:47:25 <Zakim> 2. Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). [from jasonjgw]
12:47:25 <Zakim> 3. [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). [from jasonjgw]
12:47:26 <Zakim> 4. Immersive captions. [from jasonjgw]
12:47:26 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous updates and topics. [from jasonjgw]
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13:02:56 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:03:10 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
13:03:16 <JPaton> scribe+
13:04:21 <jasonjgw> Janina: from the latest COGA meeting - reached agreement on clarifying the reference to Content Usable.
13:04:47 <jasonjgw> Janina: COGA TF participants will have a week or two to re-read the latest draft.
13:05:17 <jasonjgw> Janina: We might want to make statements about consistency - a major issue for some and beneficial to everyone.
13:05:48 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests we expand that discussion ourselves.
13:06:38 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests editing the draft for terminological consistency. Example: two different senses of "revision control" - Janina will clarify that revision control is not necessarily asynchronous.
13:07:32 <jasonjgw> Janina: Reports discussion concerning whether there would be a better way of organizing the document - if so, it would demand corresponding changes to our other 'AUR publications.
13:08:11 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes that David had raised approx. four additional items from COGA that seem to be remaining points of disagreement.
13:11:11 <jasonjgw> Janina will collaborate with COGA to maintain a short list of desired changes/issues.
13:14:24 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests there is a long-term accommodation needed with COGA Task Force to establish working cooperation - suggesting that their influence on WCAG is greater than it was five years ago, and cooperation with APA has scope for further development.
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13:15:00 <janina> present+
13:15:11 <janina> scribe+
13:18:25 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests section 3 on user needs could be integrated into the introduction.
13:19:06 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:19:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:20:05 <jasonjgw> Janina: suggests a quick review.
13:21:28 <jasonjgw> Jason endorses it based on having reviewed an earlier draft, subject to any issues that others may discover in the current draft.
13:21:38 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:21:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:08 <jasonjgw> Janina: this document could provide guidance on how to achieve a balance between protecting privacy and providing services; it isn't clear how to accomplish both.
13:25:08 <jasonjgw> We discuss the fact that disability-related information can often be inferred from aspects of the user's operating environment.
13:25:39 <jasonjgw> Janina notes a proposal to generate enough irrelevant data to mask the privacy-violating information.
13:26:37 <jasonjgw> Janina notes this originates in the TAG.
13:28:20 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:28:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:28:59 <jasonjgw> Janina: the Community Group will invite us to take up their report.
13:29:35 <jasonjgw> Janina: they'll likely publish it as a Community Group Report.
13:29:53 <jasonjgw> The Community Group Chair needs to proceed with the report publication.
13:30:52 <jasonjgw> Janina suggests a resolution from the Community Group to request that APA take up the report with a view to note-track publication.
13:31:32 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:31:32 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:32:07 <jasonjgw> Janina: expects CAPTCHA to return to the agenda soon.
13:32:38 <jasonjgw> Janina: we need to clarify the state of the art in relation to CAPTCHA.
13:32:57 <jasonjgw> The proposals by Cloudflare are noted.
13:33:23 <jasonjgw> Janina also notes the tension between verifying the humanity of the user and privacy considerations.
13:33:32 <jasonjgw> Janina would like this to be ready by TPAC.
13:36:09 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes the difficulty of gaining widespread acceptance of guidance developed outside formal standards processes - especially W3C.
13:37:22 <jasonjgw> Janina notes they have few options beyond ISO/IEC and W3C - less relevant would be ITU and IETF.
13:41:46 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes that GitHub has renewed interest in accessibility.
13:42:14 <jasonjgw> Janina notes they may read our CTAUR draft.
13:43:24 <jasonjgw> We note the advantages of applications that have openly available APIs - creating opportuniites for accessibility solutions that wouldn't otherwise be possible.
13:45:28 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:45:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina
13:45:29 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:45:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:45:37 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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