IRC log of rqtf on 2024-04-10
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-rqtf-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
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- meeting: RQTF meeting
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- present+
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- scribe+
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- agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
- 12:47:09 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/).
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- agenda+ [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/).
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- agenda+ Immersive captions.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
- 12:47:24 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, agenda?
- 12:47:24 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 2. Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). [from jasonjgw]
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- 3. [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). [from jasonjgw]
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- 4. Immersive captions. [from jasonjgw]
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- 5. Miscellaneous updates and topics. [from jasonjgw]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:03:10 [JPaton]
- present+ John_Paton
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- scribe+
- 13:04:21 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: from the latest COGA meeting - reached agreement on clarifying the reference to Content Usable.
- 13:04:47 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: COGA TF participants will have a week or two to re-read the latest draft.
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- Janina: We might want to make statements about consistency - a major issue for some and beneficial to everyone.
- 13:05:48 [jasonjgw]
- Janina suggests we expand that discussion ourselves.
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- Janina suggests editing the draft for terminological consistency. Example: two different senses of "revision control" - Janina will clarify that revision control is not necessarily asynchronous.
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- Janina: Reports discussion concerning whether there would be a better way of organizing the document - if so, it would demand corresponding changes to our other 'AUR publications.
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- Janina: notes that David had raised approx. four additional items from COGA that seem to be remaining points of disagreement.
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- Janina will collaborate with COGA to maintain a short list of desired changes/issues.
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- Janina suggests there is a long-term accommodation needed with COGA Task Force to establish working cooperation - suggesting that their influence on WCAG is greater than it was five years ago, and cooperation with APA has scope for further development.
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- present+
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- scribe+
- 13:18:25 [jasonjgw]
- Janina suggests section 3 on user needs could be integrated into the introduction.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:20:05 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: suggests a quick review.
- 13:21:28 [jasonjgw]
- Jason endorses it based on having reviewed an earlier draft, subject to any issues that others may discover in the current draft.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- [Privacy Principles](https://www.w3.org/TR/2024/DNOTE-privacy-principles-20240226/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:23:08 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: this document could provide guidance on how to achieve a balance between protecting privacy and providing services; it isn't clear how to accomplish both.
- 13:25:08 [jasonjgw]
- We discuss the fact that disability-related information can often be inferred from aspects of the user's operating environment.
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- Janina notes a proposal to generate enough irrelevant data to mask the privacy-violating information.
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- Janina notes this originates in the TAG.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- Janina: the Community Group will invite us to take up their report.
- 13:29:35 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: they'll likely publish it as a Community Group Report.
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- The Community Group Chair needs to proceed with the report publication.
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- Janina suggests a resolution from the Community Group to request that APA take up the report with a view to note-track publication.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:32:07 [jasonjgw]
- Janina: expects CAPTCHA to return to the agenda soon.
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- Janina: we need to clarify the state of the art in relation to CAPTCHA.
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- The proposals by Cloudflare are noted.
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- Janina also notes the tension between verifying the humanity of the user and privacy considerations.
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- Janina would like this to be ready by TPAC.
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- Janina: notes the difficulty of gaining widespread acceptance of guidance developed outside formal standards processes - especially W3C.
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- Janina notes they have few options beyond ISO/IEC and W3C - less relevant would be ITU and IETF.
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- Janina: notes that GitHub has renewed interest in accessibility.
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- Janina notes they may read our CTAUR draft.
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- We note the advantages of applications that have openly available APIs - creating opportuniites for accessibility solutions that wouldn't otherwise be possible.
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, John_Paton, janina
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/10-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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