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12:19:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
12:19:57 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting.
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12:20:06 <jasonjgw> present+
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12:20:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
12:20:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/).
12:20:49 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Immersive captions.
12:20:52 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous updates and topics.
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13:05:06 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:05:06 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, DavidSwallow, John_Paton, janina, scott_h
13:05:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, scott_h, JPaton, DavidSwallow, RRSAgent, Zakim, jasonjgw, Roy, alastairc, Rachael, gb
13:05:22 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
13:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html janina
13:05:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:05:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:05:44 <scott_h> jason: some questions
13:05:55 <scott_h> first issue - made changes following meeting to editors draft
13:06:19 <scott_h> - section 1.4: impications of cognitive issues with collaborative envrionments, barriers to wide variety of AT users
13:06:30 <scott_h> Changes supported by Scott and Janina
13:06:48 <scott_h> - seciton 6.3
13:07:06 <scott_h> amendment to note clarifying change histories
13:07:33 <scott_h> made change to explain what is repsonsibility fo collaboration tool, and wht is responsibility of the user of the tool
13:07:47 <scott_h> referncing collaborative process in section 1.5
13:08:13 <scott_h> janina: good to acknowlede that humans are part of solution,
13:08:34 <scott_h> jason: if noticed other places fo rthis, shoudl add
13:09:11 <scott_h> - agreed to dicuss seciotn 9: requirements but not specific / catch-all seciton of dcument
13:09:55 <scott_h> too brad, except for example of keyboard conventions and compatibility with AT
13:10:08 <scott_h> i.e. revision tracking, comments already covered elsewhere
13:11:01 <scott_h> have recongised issue
13:11:33 <scott_h> Agreed that there were concerns on how to cover issues while at the same time be practical/useful
13:12:01 <scott_h> janina: maybe use practicable phrase?
13:12:29 <scott_h> jason: web applicaitons don't always follow desktop/windowing system, or app conventions that ocme with OS
13:12:58 <scott_h> issue with whether web apps should be more desktop-like or web-like when running in web browser
13:13:40 <scott_h> also if happen t have a good perfence system for UI, some oculd be handled
13:13:52 <scott_h> but dn't have ag ood mechanism on web but can be done on per-app basis
13:14:43 <scott_h> janina: articles coudl be referenced on to what articles address web app v desktop app interface
13:15:28 <scott_h> scott: I'm in a position to look at this
13:16:00 <scott_h> jason: great
13:16:17 <scott_h> janina: yes, want to document that there's reasoned arguments on both side, issues and barriers
13:16:29 <scott_h> jason: web devleoper dones't know what's familiar so they make choices
13:18:35 <scott_h> scott: will pull togethr a lit review
13:18:46 <scott_h> jason: could be standalone info in Seciton 9
13:18:56 <scott_h> then examples coudl be separate point
13:27:19 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2024Apr/0006.html
13:30:22 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
13:30:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html janina
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13:34:11 <scott_h> jason: aside from intro, the rest of feedback is Seciton 9
13:34:36 <scott_h> present+
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13:37:10 <scott_h> janina: can join COGA call to look at editoral tweaks
13:37:49 <scott_h> happywit most edits, careful with WCAG gap reference wording
13:38:04 <scott_h> to keep neutral,
13:38:12 <scott_h> everyithng else Secitgon 9
13:38:35 <scott_h> as dicusse don design patterns web v desktlop app design
13:39:26 <scott_h> jasON; and supporting AT that support collaborative operaitons - revision, comment, etc
13:40:23 <scott_h> basically if COGA are happy wiht seciton 108, then that's a good place and now have steps on Seciton 9
13:40:45 <scott_h> jason: put nto place suggestions infomally agred,
13:41:00 <scott_h> then AT support as second point
13:41:28 <scott_h> and looking for exmaples of short series of process, windows tabs etc as applies to collaborative featuers
13:42:07 <scott_h> jason; can we get edits in before COGA call on Monday,
13:42:35 <scott_h> jason: will endeavour to update today
13:43:52 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:43:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Draft note on [Ethical Principles for Web Machine Learning](https://www.w3.org/TR/webmachinelearning-ethics/). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:44:33 <scott_h> janina: were in the early design phase of this doucment
13:44:43 <scott_h> now fnished its process, APA asked to sign off
13:44:58 <scott_h> would want RQTF to review first
13:45:49 <scott_h> scott: gropu review?
13:46:32 <scott_h> janina: let's all ready and dicuss next week on any issues
13:47:19 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:47:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Immersive captions. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:48:22 <scott_h> raja: final documentation is getting done, ready in one week
13:48:37 <scott_h> will meet with them today
13:49:33 <scott_h> janina: if you sent email to RQTF list and its ready to move to NOte track, we can tehn read it and review
13:49:42 <scott_h> after that it goes to APA wide review
13:50:27 <scott_h> jason: yes, as soon as the group is ready we'll review
13:50:44 <scott_h> raja: great. ALso hopiong ot get a final answer today, and afer that will email all
13:51:03 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:51:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:51:32 <scott_h> jason: interesting article publisehd by Linux weekly news
13:51:48 <scott_h> new dectralised tool - a bit like GitHub / GitLab, web interface that runs locally
13:52:18 <scott_h> so different collaborative tool
13:54:49 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
13:54:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, DavidSwallow, John_Paton, janina, scott_h
13:54:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:54:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
13:54:58 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:04:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items