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18:10:30 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
18:10:31 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
18:10:46 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Teleconference
18:10:54 <janina> Date 03 Apr 2024
18:10:58 <janina> Chair: Janina
18:12:37 <janina> agenda+Welcome and Introductions (As needed)
18:12:52 <janina> agenda+Continued Capabilities Discussion
18:13:08 <janina> agenda+Summary and Next Steps Actions
18:13:20 <janina> zakim, who's here?
18:13:20 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
18:13:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Jem, dmontalvo
18:30:25 <janina> present+
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18:40:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
18:40:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+ Jason
18:40:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here?
18:40:34 <Zakim> Present: janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Jason
18:40:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Jem, dmontalvo
18:50:51 <janina> agenda?
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18:51:39 <Lionel2> agenda?
18:51:49 <Lionel2> zakim, next item
18:51:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome and Introductions (As needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:51:56 <Lionel2> zakim, who is here?
18:51:56 <Zakim> Present: janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Jason
18:51:57 <janina> present+ Jason
18:51:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel2, Lionel_Wolberger, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Jem, dmontalvo
18:52:30 <Lionel2> present+ Chris
18:52:45 <Lionel2> zakim, next item
18:52:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Lionel2
18:52:51 <Lionel2> zakim, close item 1
18:52:51 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome and Introductions (As needed), closed
18:52:52 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:52:52 <Zakim> 2. Continued Capabilities Discussion [from janina]
18:52:54 <Lionel2> zakim, next item
18:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Continued Capabilities Discussion -- taken up [from janina]
18:55:23 <Lionel2> Subtopic: Clarity at the top level regarding Edge vs Overlay
18:55:37 <Lionel2> janina: The group is Edge, the document is Overlay Capabilities
18:56:12 <Lionel2> ... a features inventory
18:56:31 <Lionel2> Jason: That implies IMHO that Edge should have limited place in this report
18:56:56 <Lionel2> janina: I would be happy with "Inventory of Capabilities Apart From Source" as well, we can address that
18:57:35 <Lionel2> Jason: An Overlay Capabilities inventory is OK with me: it's tight, defined, and addresses a topic that needs addressing
18:57:43 <Lionel2> ... or capabilities that can be done after original source
18:58:01 <Lionel2> ... my point is, what flows after that is very different from that, and needs to be tucked in
18:58:36 <Lionel2> janina: We were leaving the door open to server-mediated technologies as well as browser-based technologies
18:58:45 <Lionel2> ... this approach avoids making that call
18:58:52 <Lionel2> ... these are things we can do apart from source
18:59:27 <Lionel2> ... it's a taxonomic debate
19:01:16 <janina> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/automatability
19:01:17 <Lionel2> Subtopic: Autonomous Automation / Automatability
19:01:29 <Lionel2> Look up this, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/automatability
19:02:14 <Lionel2> janina: Automatability: Can you reach autonomous automation or not?
19:02:32 <Lionel2> Jason: + 1
19:02:46 <Lionel2> ... a human could be involved at the start to kick it off, once you start it, it runs
19:03:05 <Lionel2> ... as opposed to General AI which could kick itself off
19:03:42 <Lionel2> ... three states (1) In many cases (2) In some cases (3) In no significant way
19:04:48 <Lionel2> ... Agree that automatability is the analysis of whether autonomous automation can be achieved
19:15:41 <Lionel2> Lionel2: We took about 6 or 7 headings, and Lionel shared his opinion on the automatability
19:26:37 <Lionel2> ... we found high agreement on assessing automatability
19:27:19 <Lionel2> Topic: Permission to Add a Capability
19:27:38 <Lionel2> Jason: When discussing captions, does the source platform permit providing captions at the edge?
19:28:01 <Lionel2> janina: Permission has not been an issue until now, as source is not aware of what happens at the edge.
19:29:07 <Lionel2> Chris: Returning to captions. I was on a Zoom call, one person elected to have the captions on display.
19:29:17 <Lionel2> ... its default language was English,
19:29:26 <Lionel2> ... any one of the attendees could change the language
19:29:39 <Lionel2> ... different individuals kept changing the language
19:29:44 <Lionel2> ... it was a kind of language war
19:31:07 <Lionel2> rrsagent, make minutes
19:31:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/03-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel2