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11:06:29 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
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11:06:48 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool
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11:08:12 <McCool> topic: agenda and minutes
11:08:14 <kaz> ack k
11:08:30 <McCool> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240313.md
11:08:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240313.md agenda for today
11:08:52 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html previous minutes
11:09:38 <McCool> mz: for today, will do logistics, updated plan, then minutes, then uc template, then input from WoT JP CG security seminar
11:09:49 <McCool> topic: logistics
11:10:10 <McCool> mz: have some holidays and cancellations
11:10:23 <McCool> ... march 20 and april 10 will be cancelled
11:10:53 <McCool> ... and also daylight savings time started, please check schedule
11:11:05 <McCool> topic: Proposed Plan
11:11:36 <McCool> mz: last week, wanted to work on templates for func req and tech req
11:11:48 <McCool> ... after looking at a concrete example
11:12:14 <McCool> ... however, we did not complete that, so this week we will continue
11:13:01 <McCool> ... but work on use case template, then do func and tech requirements on some future dates
11:13:43 <McCool> ... we also need to look at the publication schedule, and relationship with work items
11:13:51 <Tomo> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html
11:13:59 <McCool> topic: minutes
11:14:08 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html||
11:14:11 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html Mar-6
11:14:20 <McCool> mz: last minutes are at the above url
11:14:31 <McCool> ... (review minutes)
11:15:52 <McCool> mz: approve minutes and discussion points?
11:16:05 <McCool> ... (no objections, approved)
11:16:09 <McCool> topic: Use Case Template
11:17:08 <McCool> mz: need to clarify what we mean by "gaps", relationships between proposed use case and existing use cases
11:17:26 <McCool> ... as well as gaps in standards, WoT's and other SDOs
11:17:34 <Ege> q+
11:17:47 <kaz> q+
11:18:22 <kaz> ack e
11:18:35 <McCool> ege: prepared PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/277
11:18:40 <kaz> ack k
11:18:47 <McCool> kz: mz prepared an updated template, would like to show it
11:18:54 <Tomo> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/example-template.md
11:19:43 <McCool> q+
11:20:07 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/example-template.md|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/example-template.md updated Use Case Template
11:20:57 <McCool> mz: first part is the same as previous calls
11:21:59 <McCool> ... but added part about gaps and relationships
11:22:10 <kaz> q?
11:22:14 <kaz> ack mc
11:22:46 <Ege> q+
11:22:50 <kaz> q+
11:23:27 <McCool> mm: I still feel gaps should go last, may need to consider e.g. security requirements
11:23:48 <McCool> ege: agree gaps should be at the end
11:23:49 <kaz> ack e
11:24:05 <McCool> ... other point, this specific example of gaps is not concrete enough
11:24:31 <McCool> ... and should possibly be written by working group
11:24:39 <McCool> ... not clear what needs to be done by TF
11:25:40 <McCool> kz: should first acknowledge updates based on last week
11:26:02 <McCool> q+
11:26:06 <McCool> ack k
11:27:15 <McCool> mm: to summarize the changes, relationships were moved out of gaps, and a better definition of gaps
11:27:24 <McCool> ... I am fine with those changes
11:28:10 <McCool> kz: we also should talk about the security considerations etc.
11:28:33 <McCool> mm: I was going to bring that up, but wanted to address moving gaps to the end first, as it is a higher priority
11:28:53 <McCool> kz: let's take three step approach
11:29:41 <McCool> ... mz's changes, moving gaps, updating the security section
11:29:52 <McCool> mm: concur with first two, let's do that
11:30:00 <McCool> ... then discuss the last point when we get there
11:30:14 <kaz> s/changes/changes based on the previous discussion themselves/
11:30:25 <Tomo> q?
11:30:33 <McCool> ege: agree
11:31:26 <McCool> kz: ok, mz, since people agree, let's edit the markdown to move the gaps section
11:31:41 <McCool> mz: (moves gaps section)
11:31:42 <McCool> q+
11:32:02 <kaz> ack m
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11:33:38 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
11:33:44 <McCool> mm: for wide review sections, first, it would be good to link to the existing questionnaires for these sections
11:33:54 <McCool> ... even though they are not especially relevant
11:34:16 <McCool> ... second, for security and privacy, we have already defined a set of broad categories
11:34:31 <McCool> ... and it would be good for use cases to identify which categories they belong to
11:34:43 <McCool> ... (may be more than one)
11:35:27 <kaz> ack k
11:36:13 <kaz> q+
11:37:03 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/publication/ver11/security_and_privacy.md
11:37:44 <kaz> ack k
11:38:38 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/736 design-reviews issue
11:40:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/publication/ver11/accessibility.md accessibility review
11:41:33 <kaz> s|security_and_privacy.md|security_and_privacy.md security and privacy review|
11:41:51 <kaz> q+
11:42:07 <McCool> mm: these questions are not perfect, but are a starting point
11:42:16 <McCool> ... and then I would like to see the categories
11:42:38 <kaz> i|these|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/publication/ver11/internationalization.md internationalization review|
11:43:31 <McCool> ... which is basically a set of five yes/no questions
11:44:01 <Ege> brb
11:48:24 <McCool> kz: two steps then - let's add link to our versions of the questionnaires, then think about security TF (can make PR)
11:48:58 <McCool> s/link/links/
11:49:01 <Tomo> q?
11:49:10 <kaz> s/security TF/security categories based on the feedback from the Security TF/
11:49:11 <kaz> ack k
11:50:17 <McCool> ege: agree
11:50:27 <kaz> scribe+
11:50:36 <kaz> miz: agree
11:50:38 <kaz> scribe-
11:50:52 <kaz> s/miz/mz/
11:50:57 <McCool> mz: use case template should not be complicated however
11:51:08 <kaz> q+
11:52:08 <Ege> q+
11:52:11 <McCool> mm: true, and questionnaires we link to are a bit off-target
11:52:22 <kaz> ack k
11:52:30 <McCool> ... but the five questions are proposing are very simple and valuable
11:52:40 <McCool> kz: rather, it should be as simple as possible
11:53:15 <kaz> s/possible/possible, and also it should include enough information for requirement extraction/
11:53:21 <kaz> q+
11:53:24 <McCool> ege: regarding simplicity, if it is simple but not useful, then we are wasting our time
11:53:28 <kaz> ack e
11:53:31 <McCool> ... we need actionable input
11:53:55 <McCool> ... would rather balance it more towards getting more information from use cases
11:54:02 <kaz> ack k
11:54:30 <kaz> q+
11:54:42 <McCool> mm: ok, let's work on a PR for these proposed changes in the Security TF
11:54:46 <kaz> ack k
11:54:54 <McCool> ... then discuss next week
11:55:36 <kaz> i/ok/kaz: that's why we're holding discussion to see the well-balance :)/
11:55:46 <kaz> s/that's/scribenick: kaz/
11:55:56 <kaz> i/ok/scribenick: McCool/
11:56:06 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:56:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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