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13:57:13 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF - Slot 1
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14:06:06 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:06:55 <kaz> chair: Ege
14:07:15 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#March_13_and_14%2C_2024
14:08:02 <dape> scribe: dape
14:09:30 <dape> TOPIC: Organizational
14:09:48 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Draft minutes of last week, Wednesday
14:09:55 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-td-minutes.html
14:10:07 <dape> EK: Checked them already with M. Koster
14:10:20 <dape> ... no objections -> minutes approved
14:10:33 <dape>  SUBTOPIC: Regrets
14:10:56 <dape> EK: Mahda this and next week not available
14:11:10 <dape>  SUBTOPIC: Cancellation
14:11:17 <dape> EK: TD cancelled for next Wednesday
14:11:28 <dape> ... Thursday as usual with M. Koster chairing
14:11:35 <dape> TOPIC: TD
14:11:36 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:11:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:11:50 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Toolchain Discussion:
14:11:50 <dape> s/Toolchain Discussion:/Toolchain Discussion
14:12:00 <dape> EK: Merged PR, https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1983
14:12:11 <dape> ... need still to work on it
14:12:16 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
14:12:31 <dape> ... added big box on bottom part
14:12:58 <dape> ... about testing pipeline
14:13:11 <dape> ... we had to merge the PR
14:13:21 <kaz> q+
14:13:48 <dape> Kaz: Clarifying data-flow is nice
14:14:00 <dape> ... anyhow, we should clarify task a bit more
14:14:09 <kaz> ack k
14:14:13 <dape> ... as input and output
14:14:19 <dape> EK: Yes, it will come next
14:14:46 <dape> EK: w.r.t Agreeing on the requirements: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/egekorkan-patch-3/toolchain/requirements.md
14:14:50 <dape> ... we agreed in the call
14:14:59 <dape> ... asked Cristiano to have final look
14:15:40 <dape> ... "lightweightness" was mentioned by Cristiano
14:15:55 <dape> ... meaning easier to install etc
14:17:41 <dape> ... part of the ideal requirements
14:17:51 <dape> ... functionality should come first
14:18:37 <dape> ... if we are fine I will add this to the list in requirements.md
14:19:45 <dape> ... another point Cristiano mentioned is the validation folder
14:19:51 <dape> ... there are 2 things
14:20:14 <dape> ... examples with valid TDs
14:20:22 <kaz> i|Merged PR|subtopic: PR 1983|
14:20:36 <kaz> i|Agreeing|subtopic: PR 1975|
14:20:54 <dape> ... and the JSON schemas
14:21:01 <kaz> i|Agreeing|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1975 PR 1975 - Toolchain requirements|
14:21:14 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:21:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:23:28 <dape> EK: Suggest to add it this aspect as well...
14:23:58 <dape> ... we can now have a final look at the requirements
14:24:09 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/egekorkan-patch-3/toolchain/requirements.md
14:25:06 <dape> <Ege walking over the MD file>
14:27:38 <kaz> q+
14:28:26 <dape> Kaz: Minor comment: "general requirements " might  clearer than "Overall Requirements"
14:28:28 <kaz> ack k
14:28:54 <dape> EK: Agree
14:29:10 <dape> s/might  clearer/might be clearer
14:30:10 <dape> EK: w.r.t. "Output Resources"
14:30:24 <dape> ... it should be always synced
14:30:54 <dape> q+
14:31:17 <dape> ... some parts done only once
14:32:19 <kaz> q+
14:32:21 <dape> DP: TS definition part of the toolchain? Currently done by Scripting TF
14:32:32 <dape> EK: I think it should be part of the toolchain
14:32:46 <dape> ... might affect Scripting API specification
14:32:46 <kaz> s/TS/TypeScript/
14:33:00 <dape> ack dape
14:33:29 <dape> Kaz: minor: Maybe it might be better to describe the expectations a bit clearer
14:33:53 <dape> EK: Agree
14:34:13 <dape> .... changing to "the following resources are updated each time ..."
14:34:42 <luca_barbato> q+
14:35:19 <dape> ... BTW, there could be more than TypeScript
14:35:49 <Ege> ack k
14:35:50 <Ege> ack l
14:35:50 <kaz> ack k
14:37:23 <dape> EK: w.r.t. "source of truth"
14:37:33 <dape> ... it is the input resources
14:37:57 <dape> q+
14:38:58 <dape> ack dape
14:41:12 <dape> <EK creates another commit to have final look>
14:41:29 <dape> EK: I think it looks good. Are there are further remarks?
14:41:54 <kaz> q+
14:42:04 <dape> ... none -> merging PR 1975
14:42:13 <dape> Kaz: Merging is okay
14:42:37 <dape> ... however, don't we want to mention the potential input resources
14:42:58 <dape> EK: Turtle file might be generated in the future
14:43:15 <kaz> s/input resources/input resources based on the current practice?/
14:44:08 <dape> Kaz: At some point we need to clarify what is the input
14:44:15 <dape> EK: Correct
14:45:05 <dape> EK: as a next step I propose to extend the tool analyses to see whether they match our requirements
14:45:47 <dape> ... tracked in issue 1984
14:46:34 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1984
14:46:54 <dape> TOPIC: Management
14:47:04 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Project Management Proposal
14:47:12 <dape> ... see Project Management Proposahttps://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md
14:47:27 <dape> EK: We worked on making the steps more visual
14:47:40 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ege-project-management/proposals/project-management/project-management.md
14:48:03 <dape> ... steps are properly mentioned in the beginning
14:48:23 <dape> ... steps correspond to lifecycle diagram
14:48:56 <dape> ... it is still open how we prioritize items
14:49:14 <kaz> s/... see/EK: see/
14:49:14 <dape> ... last week we started the discussion already
14:49:28 <dape> ... we need to find a rough idea
14:49:37 <kaz> i|Project Management Prop|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1977 PR 1977 - Project Management Improvements|
14:49:48 <kaz> s/proposahtt/proposal htt/
14:49:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:49:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:50:00 <kaz> q+
14:50:59 <dape> Kaz: we can skim the document a bit more... states & diagram match
14:51:20 <kaz> ack k
14:51:36 <dape> ... you expect to use the GitHub project management, correct?
14:51:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ege-project-management/proposals/project-management/project-management.md project-management.md document
14:51:47 <dape> EK: Yes, but I am open to other tools as well
14:51:47 <luca_barbato> q+
14:52:06 <dape> s/GitHub project management/GitHub projects
14:52:27 <dape> LB: As long the tool allows to export data it is fine
14:52:42 <kaz> q+
14:52:51 <dape> ... I remember that I have seen a way to export stuff
14:54:13 <dape> EK: It seems CSV export is possible
14:56:28 <dape> Kaz: the step number is useful for understanding the diagram (4 and 6 is part of 1)
14:56:39 <dape> ... maybe it can be 1.4 or so
14:57:11 <kaz> s/4 and 6/2, 4 and 6/
14:57:22 <kaz> s/1.4/1.1, 1.2 and 1.3/
14:58:04 <dape> EK/Kaz: step 4 is important
14:58:51 <dape> <Ege going over https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ege-project-management/proposals/project-management/project-management.md>
15:01:17 <dape> EK: are there any objections, otherwise I would like to merge the PR...
15:01:42 <dape> ... and I would like to work on the numbering issue mentioned by Kaz
15:02:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/13-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:02:43 <dape> ... merging PR 1977
15:02:43 <kaz> q?
15:02:43 <kaz> ack luca_barbato
15:02:43 <kaz> ack k
15:03:26 <dape> [adjourned]
15:03:37 <kaz> ack k
15:03:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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