IRC log of registries on 2024-03-12

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Meeting: Registries for W3C Specifications

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Chair: Ege Korkan, Jan Romann

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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2024/issues/18

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Zakim, clear agenda

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Zakim, agenda+ Pick a scribe

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Zakim, agenda+ Reminders: code of conduct, health policies, recorded session policy

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Zakim, agenda+ Goal of this session

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Zakim, agenda+ Discussion

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Zakim, agenda+ Next steps / where discussion continues

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tidoust has changed the topic to: Breakout: Registries for W3C Specifications - Kora - 13:00-14:00 UTC

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present+

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html JKRhb

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meeting: Registries for W3C Specifications

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon

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Present+ Nigel_Megitt

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/breakouts-day-2024/#b-7c1b6bcd-9ee1-4570-ba4d-9ccad717e78f

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slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zWnl7yWMKPjKgtjogZGDe-8xf4KTK3KakhPY0_uhsB4/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p

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present+ Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Xiaoqian_Wu

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zakim, who is on the call?

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Present: JKRhb, Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon, Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Xiaoqian_Wu

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz

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s/ROmann/Romann/

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present+ Atsushi_Shimono

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q+

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q-

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz

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scribenick: kaz

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https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zWnl7yWMKPjKgtjogZGDe-8xf4KTK3KakhPY0_uhsB4/edit?usp=sharing

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ek: slides above

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... co-Charing this session with Jan Romann

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present+

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i|https|topic: Logistics|

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present+ xiaoqian

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ek: please join the IRC, and add yourself using "q+"

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present+

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ah thanks

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topic: Intro

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atsushi

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enrico

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klaus

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present+

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

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ramon

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toumura

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nigel

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mizushima

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xiaoqian

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q+

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kaz

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ack k

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topic: Participation policies

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ek: remember the Antitrust/competition plicy

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... also PWETF work

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topic: Bringing some context

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ek: (explain the background)

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topic: What is a registry in general?

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[slide 6]

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ek: Examples

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... media types, URI schemes, websocket, language subtag, etc.

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topic: Registries and W3C RECs?

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ek: W3C RECs can't be changed after publication

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... so need another mechanism for registries

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i/W3C/[slide 7]

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[slide 8]

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ek: Why are we here?

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... share the analysis

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... and get input

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[slide 9]

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ek: analysis by WoT

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... want to have a binding registry as written in the Charter

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q+

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... W3C registry mechanism is very open

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... several registries already

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[slide 10]

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ek: What did the WoT do?

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... analyzed both W3C process and IANA process

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ack n

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nm: two ways for registries

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... separate or embedded in a REC

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s/separate/separate doc/

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Example of Registry section in DAPT -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#registry-section

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nm: an example of registry section above

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ek: yeah, we're aware of that fact

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ack n

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... but tx for the concrete example

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[slide 12]

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i/12/[slide 11]/

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i/12/(switch to Jan)/

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jr: IANA registries

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... several examples

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[slide 13]

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jr: summary is

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... quite mature with various rules commonly accepted

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... with extensibility

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... several common review policies there

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... private use, experimental use, hierarchical allocation, first come/first sered, expert review, spec required, RFC required, IETF review, standard action, IESG approval

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... example of URI schemes and websockets sub-protocols

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[slide 14]

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jr: W3C Notes before the Registry Track

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... e.g., DID, XPointer, Media Source Extensions, TTML

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[slide 15]

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jr: summary

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... various processes, consensus as the goal

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... various entry formats

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... deletion/deprecation process

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... versioning mechanism is missing?

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... instead, deprecation and resubmission of new entry?

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz

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(switches back to Ege)

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[slide 17]

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ek: W3C reports with official registry mechanism

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[slide 18]

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ek: summary:

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... confirmation that the registry mechanism works

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... close collaboration with external communities and SDOs

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... not much in common between the two

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q+

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... can be a section in a REC

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s/the two/WebCodecs and AAC/

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q-

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[slide 19]

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ek: comparison table

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... submission process, modification process, review and guidelines

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... about IANA, W3C Custom Registries and W3C Official Registries

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kaz: do you mean "Notes, etc." by "W3C Custom", and "Registry Track" by "W3C Official"

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ek: yes

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s/cial"/cial"?/

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ack k

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[slide 20]

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ek: Summary of status at W3C

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... Registry Track mechanism is still very open

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... and need considerations by each WG

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q+ to mention TTWG boilerplate

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... more information exchange expected with other WGs

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topic: Discussion

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q?

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ack n

13:31:35 [Zakim]

nigel, you wanted to mention TTWG boilerplate

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subtopic: TTWG boilerplate

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TTWG Boilerplate registry code -> https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/tree/main/boilerplate/registry

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TTWG Registry discussion -> https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/discussions/241

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nm: boilerplate and discussions above

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present+ J-Y_Rossi

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present+ Peter_Bruhn_Andersen

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nm: goes through the registry document html

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q+

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-> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/blob/main/boilerplate/registry/index.html HTML preview (not well-styled)

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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#registry-section Dubbing and Audio description Profiles of TTML2 - G. Registry

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nm: might be useful for people

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... the process require specific actions

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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#script-event-type 4.8 Script Event Type

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ek: good resource

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... this boilerplate would be a good approach

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nm: there is a guide to help people understand the process

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... can be an example

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s/can/this can/

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... other people may discover issues, though

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q?

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q+

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ack e

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ek: don't think we should impose our need directly into this

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... btw, ReSpec doesn't support this mechanism?

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nm: right

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... I created this styling approach

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-> https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/#example-24 Nigel shows the table right above Example 24

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nm: probably my best solution so far

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... somebody could think about W3C official styling and ReSpec/Bikeshed tooling

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q?

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... for example, other tables like the one at section 3 doesn't use the same style

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kaz: tx for your information

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q+

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... WoT also needs to clarify our requirements for WoT Binding Templates

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q-

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xw: strong +1 for information exchange

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... to get suggestions

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... also agree having discussion with the Process CG would be helpful

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ek: ok. tx!

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ack x

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topic: Summary

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[slide 21]

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ek: took some notes on the slide

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... would like to check out the next steps

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... main points of discussion, consensus or disagreement?

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... think there was consensus on more exchange with other WGs

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... should talk with the Process CG?

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nm: note that PLH is managing the /Guide page

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q+

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ek: should be incorporated with that

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kaz: you mean the usage of registries and guidelines for them to be incorporated with the /Guide page?

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ek: exactly

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ack k

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... registry sections to be included in the TR search results

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q+

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ek: who to work on what then?

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kaz: probably I should bring this result back to PLH and the Strategy/Project Team

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action: kaz to bring the results from the registries breakout session to PLH and the Strategy Team

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ek: example of a registry section within a REC?

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... what's the trade-off?

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nm: it's easy to update the table. no approval is needed

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... values to have the registry information in the REC

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q+

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ack k

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ek: (skims the check-out slide again)

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kaz: possible item 3 for "What are the next steps?" should be WoT WG ourselves to clarify our requirements :)

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ek: right

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[adjourned]

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chair: Ege

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-minutes.html kaz

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: kaz to bring the results from the registries breakout session to PLH and the Strategy Team [1]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2024/03/12-registries-irc#T13-52-28

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JKRhb, Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Nigel_Megitt, Enrico_Morisi, Jan_ROmann, Ramon, Klaus_Hartke, Kunihiko_Toumura,

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