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12:01:18 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
12:01:39 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Mahda_Noura
12:03:11 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster
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12:03:26 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
12:03:51 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:03:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ege_Korkan
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12:04:34 <kaz> scribenick: Ege
12:04:57 <kaz> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/TODO/20240306.md
12:05:05 <kaz> topic: Logistics
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12:05:26 <Ege> tm: I cannot prepare the call for april 10
12:05:40 <Ege> q+
12:06:05 <kaz> q+
12:06:13 <kaz> ack e
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12:06:28 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
12:06:34 <Ege> ... also march 20 and april 3
12:06:49 <Ege> ek: April 3 should be fine for those without kids. I can attend for example
12:07:28 <Ege> kaz: Let's ask people's availabilities
12:07:37 <kaz> s/ask/ask about/
12:07:49 <Ege> mm: Let's not cancel unless it is a holiday everywhere
12:07:59 <Ege> tm: Then let's not cancel april 3rd. Is it ok?
12:08:48 <kaz> (no objections)
12:09:11 <kaz> [ Use Cases call will be cancelled on Mar 20 and Apr 10 ]
12:09:31 <kaz> i/I cannot/subtopic: Cancellations/
12:09:37 <Ege> tm: daylight saving is starting next week. calls one hour earlier in eu and japan. No change for US and Canada
12:09:42 <kaz> q+
12:09:51 <kaz> ack k
12:09:52 <Ege> kaz: It is just a reminder right?
12:09:56 <Ege> tm: yes
12:10:06 <kaz> i/daylight/subtopic: Daylight Saving changes/
12:11:21 <kaz> topic: Updated Plan for spec generation and publication
12:11:38 <Ege> topic: Plan
12:12:04 <Ege> tm: we talked about the templates for use cases, functional and technical requirements
12:12:09 <kaz> s/topic: Updated Plan for spec generation and publication//
12:12:28 <Ege> ... I have an updated version of the plan. Here it is (presents the plan in markdown)
12:12:32 <kaz> q+
12:13:02 <Ege> q+
12:13:04 <kaz> ack k
12:13:16 <Ege> kaz: this seems more feasible to me. Could you put it in the agenda wiki as well?
12:14:04 <Ege> ek: is the proposal available?
12:14:08 <Ege> tm: yes it is below
12:14:12 <Ege> ... can we approve the template?
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12:14:56 <Ege> topic: Minutes Review
12:15:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2024/02/28-wot-uc-minutes.html Feb-28
12:15:40 <kaz> s/can we approve the template?/let's discuss that later/
12:17:01 <McCool> q+
12:17:10 <kaz> (Mizushima goes through the minutes and mention main discussion points)
12:17:18 <kaz> ack e
12:17:27 <Ege> tm: can we approve the minutes?
12:17:36 <Ege> mm: no objections
12:17:38 <Ege> tm: approved
12:18:53 <Ege> topic: Use Case Template Discussion
12:19:33 <kaz> i|Use Case|(both the minutes themselves and the extracted discussion points have been approved)|
12:19:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:19:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
12:19:55 <kaz> q?
12:19:55 <kaz> ack m
12:20:07 <McCool> q+
12:21:23 <Ege> tm: let's look at the example in section 2.10.3 of the current use cases document
12:21:42 <Ege> q?
12:21:44 <Ege> ack m
12:21:52 <McCool> q+
12:23:24 <Ege> tm: I am not changing the motivation but adding Why WoT section
12:23:41 <Ege> ... it is detailing why wot is needed for cases with multiple vendors
12:24:04 <McCool> (well, I will take my name off for now, in case anyone want to comment on other parts of template)
12:24:07 <McCool> ack m
12:24:32 <McCool> q+
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12:25:03 <Ege> mm: it would be good to have a fix list of stakeholders
12:25:08 <kaz> q+
12:25:17 <Ege> q+
12:25:21 <kaz> ack m
12:26:41 <kaz> ack k
12:26:48 <Ege> kaz: detailed questions can be done later
12:27:45 <McCool> q+
12:27:46 <kaz> q?
12:27:49 <kaz> ack e
12:28:13 <Ege> ek: current template also has protocol, what about this one?
12:28:20 <kaz> q+
12:28:43 <kaz> ack m
12:28:48 <kaz> qq+ Ege
12:28:52 <Ege> mm: yes but only if it is relevant. we should mention whether we want to describe the protocol with wot
12:30:15 <Mizushima> q?
12:30:25 <kaz> q- Ege
12:30:30 <Ege> ek: also, in this case the smartphone app developer is important. Is it device manufacturer, echonet consortium, 3rd part?
12:31:17 <McCool> q+
12:31:55 <kaz> ack k
12:32:18 <kaz> q+
12:32:42 <Ege> kaz: I agree with both that protocol can be relevant
12:32:47 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
12:33:02 <kaz> q?
12:33:03 <Ege> mm: yes. We have to show what WoT TD is describing here
12:33:04 <kaz> ack m
12:33:24 <kaz> ack k
12:34:04 <Mizushima> q+
12:34:06 <Ege> kaz: protocol is important since it can be a potential binding based on the use case
12:34:19 <kaz> q?
12:34:23 <kaz> ack m
12:34:27 <Ege> kaz: so let's add expected protocol to the template?
12:34:37 <Ege> tm: I agree
12:34:42 <Ege> mm: no objection
12:34:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:34:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
12:35:34 <Ege> tm: I will add it later
12:36:01 <kaz> resolution: we'll add "Expected protocol" also under "Expectations for stakeholders and environments"
12:37:29 <kaz> sutbopic: Gaps
12:37:45 <kaz> chair: Mizushima
12:38:11 <kaz> s/(well, I will take my name off for now, in case anyone want to comment on other parts of template)//
12:38:23 <kaz> i/I am not chan/subtopic: Motivation/
12:38:57 <Ege> tm: Here are the gaps
12:39:06 <kaz> i/it would be good to/subtopic: Stakeholders and Environments/
12:39:13 <Ege> q+
12:39:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
12:40:38 <McCool> q+
12:41:05 <kaz> q+
12:41:30 <kaz> ack e
12:42:18 <Ege> ek: there are some paragraphs and points that should not be in gaps
12:42:28 <Ege> mm: I agree
12:42:37 <kaz> q+
12:42:47 <kaz> ack m
12:43:34 <McCool> q+
12:43:39 <McCool> ack k
12:44:24 <kaz> q+
12:44:46 <McCool> ack m
12:45:00 <Ege> ek: I can provide a PR
12:47:13 <Ege> mm: existing standards, similar use cases and dependencies should be above gaps
12:49:47 <Ege> mm: we do not have enough time. We should focus on the template
12:52:11 <Ege> tm: any suggestions? opinions?
12:52:37 <Ege> mm: yes please improve the example and template based on the discussion today
12:52:44 <Ege> tm: yes let's do that
12:54:02 <kaz> q+
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12:55:35 <Ege> kaz: now we can accept proposals from other TF members
12:56:03 <Ege> q+
12:56:23 <kaz> q+
12:56:25 <kaz> ack k
12:56:28 <kaz> q+
12:56:43 <Ege> mm: I think TM should do the PR and me and Ege can comment/review
12:57:53 <Ege> ek: I agree. I am not sure about what to change in the current template, e.g. horizontal or vertical category
12:57:58 <kaz> i/I think/Now the question is who to do that. I think/
12:58:08 <Ege> ... I can happily provide comments and suggestions
12:58:16 <kaz> ack e
12:58:18 <kaz> ack k
12:58:19 <Ege> kaz: ok let's do that
12:59:07 <Ege> kaz: so TM has action item to do a PR to update the template based on today's discussion
12:59:39 <kaz> s/ok let's do that/Yes, in that case, let's ask Mizushima-san to create a PR after skimming Ege's draft PR./
13:00:20 <kaz> action: Mizushima to create a PR to update the use case template based on today's discussion
13:00:28 <Ege> tm: let's discuss the PRs in the next meeting
13:00:31 <Ege> adjourned
13:00:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/03/06-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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