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17:39:03 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
17:39:04 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
17:39:34 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Weekly Teleconference
17:39:44 <janina> date: 26 Feb 2024
17:39:56 <janina> agenda+Welcome & Intros (as needed)
17:40:09 <janina> agenda+Rescheduling request from Jason
17:40:43 <janina> agenda+Capabilities Status & Next Steps
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17:51:42 <janina> agenda?
17:52:23 <janina> agenda, clear
17:52:23 <janina> agenda?
17:52:23 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
17:52:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:52:23 <janina> agenda+Welcome & Intros (as needed)
17:52:33 <janina> agenda+Meeting rescheduling request from Jason
17:52:51 <janina> agenda+Capabilities Status and Next Steps -- Discussion
17:52:56 <janina> agenda?
17:53:39 <janina> q+
17:55:14 <janina> ack ja
17:56:29 <janina> agenda?
17:56:35 <janina> Chair: Janina
17:56:44 <janina> regrets: Jason
18:01:59 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_ has joined #a11yedge
18:02:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
18:02:20 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+ shari
18:02:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, who is here?
18:02:27 <Zakim> Present: janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Bev, Jason, Lionel_Wolberger_, shari
18:02:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger_, jamesn, RRSAgent, janina, Zakim, dmontalvo
18:02:41 <Lionel_Wolberger_> agenda?
18:06:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe+
18:07:28 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: This coming Saturday 2 March 2024 is World IA Day
18:08:28 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... I have organized a panel on, Information Architecture and Accessibility: Fostering Innovation Through Inclusive Design
18:08:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... In this panel, we explore the dynamic relationship between organizing information and ensuring accessibility. This intersection not only enhances usability but also drives innovation by embracing diverse user needs and experiences.
18:08:45 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Through inclusive design practices, we pave the way for creative solutions that benefit all users, regardless of their abilities or limitations.
18:08:53 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... v
18:08:57 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Join us and learn how to integrate accessibility into your IA workflow, enhancing inclusivity while streamlining your design and development processes.
18:09:13 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... I would love to talk about the work we are doing in Accessibility at the Edge
18:09:20 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... you will have up to 20 minutes
18:09:34 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... this is the longest session of the day!
18:09:47 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... I am very passionate about accessibility
18:10:04 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: It's important to build accessibility in at the start rather than bolting it on later
18:10:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... but accessibility drive information architecture
18:10:26 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... for example captions. Who doesn't love captions?
18:10:40 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... and they were implemented at first for deaf people
18:11:22 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: Link, WIAD NY 24: https://worldiaday.org/events/new-york-city/2024
18:12:13 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:12:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/26-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
18:12:48 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+ janina
18:13:01 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present- Jason
18:14:26 <Lionel_Wolberger_> bev: https://www.w3.org/community/informationarchitecture/
18:15:01 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Information Architecture Community Group supports Accessibility at the Edge, as we see it as an important part of Information Architecture
18:15:18 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... IACG does annual TPAC attendance and occasional discussions
18:16:08 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev: The Journal of Information Architecture, https://journalofia.org/
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18:20:59 <Bev_C> Hello, Bev C is here
18:21:20 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: In April, https://www.theiaconference.com/
18:22:33 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev: Shift left is a winning strategy with security, accessibility, a lot of things not integrated early on enough
18:23:34 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: Shift left, but also provide options on the 'right'
18:23:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... one should not replace the other
18:23:50 <Bev_C> Inclusive at all stages of development lifecycles
18:23:50 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Shari: Accessibility, like usability, is an ongoing iterative process
18:23:58 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... it is not a destination, it is a journey
18:24:12 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... that's the topic of the poster we are authoring for the conference
18:24:13 <Bev_C> It is an "innovation" mindset
18:24:24 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... and we can cite the presentations in the poster
18:24:38 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe+ Bev_C
18:24:45 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:24:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/26-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
18:25:16 <Lionel_Wolberger_> s/v//
18:25:22 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:25:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/26-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
18:31:39 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, next item
18:31:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome & Intros (as needed) -- taken up [from janina]
18:31:49 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, close this item
18:31:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:31:50 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:31:50 <Zakim> 2. Meeting rescheduling request from Jason [from janina]
18:31:58 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, take up next item
18:31:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Meeting rescheduling request from Jason -- taken up [from janina]
18:32:28 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: We are considering moving the weekly meeting time 1.5 hours later from now, 1430 NYC time
18:32:54 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: OK with me
18:33:06 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: I can do it, on and off
18:33:12 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: Way better for me!
18:33:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... though I would prefer another day of the week
18:33:52 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: I could do Wednesday. Tues., Thurs not great for me
18:34:28 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: I can consider Wednesdays as well
18:38:03 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: Remediation at source is the oldest accessibility methodology, and has led to many successes
18:38:19 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: Goes back to HTML 2, before alt text
18:38:38 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: But this one method is certainly not making the web accessible, less than 5% of pages are accessible today
18:39:01 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Accessibility at the Edge holds out the promise of adding another methodology, without replacing the first one
18:40:18 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: APA is fostering other accessibility innovations as well, like well known destination
18:41:13 <janina> http://raw.githack.com/a11yedge/capabilities/js2402d/
18:44:06 <Lionel_Wolberger_> RESOLUTION: Merge the current js2402d branch into main
18:44:16 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: +1
18:44:18 <janina> +1
18:44:19 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: +1
18:44:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: +1
18:44:34 <Bev_C> Yes, Bev +1
18:44:36 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: +1
18:49:03 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: Read out the heading 1's to drive discussion
18:49:38 <Lionel_Wolberger_> .. regarding "Text Services" we struggled to name altering the meaning of the text -- the semantics or semiotics of the text --
18:49:57 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... as opposed to the symbols that compose the text, the alphabetic letterforms
18:50:45 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: I think semiotics might be a better label
18:50:59 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: It's a question of semantics. The semantic web was constructed on linguistic theory
18:51:11 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... semiotics is constructed on communications theory and communciations philosophy
18:51:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... language is part of communication and vice a versa, they are 'joined at the hip'
18:51:44 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ...Ontology Summit 24: https://ontologforum.com/index.php/OntologySummit2024
18:51:59 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... ontology and neurosymbolics are emerging areas of focus due to LLMs and AI
18:52:23 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... it focuses on the relationship between the semiotics and symbolics
18:52:31 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... cognitive semiotics and computational semiotics
18:56:13 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: 3.Presentational (Semiotic Symbols, Letterforms, Layout)
18:56:21 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... 4.Text Services (Semiotic Signs, Semantics)
18:56:51 <Lionel_Wolberger_> .... The contrast between 3 and 4 is the contrast in Semiotics between the symbol (presentation) and the sign (the semantics)
18:57:00 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: Semiotics - is plural (important) like Semantics is plural
18:58:05 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: In Western languages, you can change the font and the look of the letter without changing the meaning
18:58:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> shari: in Eastern languages, you might change the meaning by changing the look of the letter
18:58:36 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: All languages have semantics and semiotics
18:59:04 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... children speak in semantics first, then learn the semiotics
18:59:16 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/02/26-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
19:00:33 <Lionel_Wolberger_> RESOLUTION: Effective beginning in March, the weekly teleconference is to be on Wednesdays at 1430 Boston time
19:01:22 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Bev_C: Semantics - Linguistic Theory, Semiotics - Communications Theory
19:01:25 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, bye
19:01:25 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Bev, Jason, Lionel_Wolberger_, shari
19:01:25 <Zakim> Zakim has left #a11yedge
19:03:13 <janina> rrsagent, bye
19:03:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items