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13:26:25 <lisa_> agendaag / newd draft. see https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RUiKsY_WUaFJFvdR6ezFJ8Jx35JkHssy+ testing subgroup and
13:27:09 <lisa_> agenda+ Testingand new draft. Should we link to a wiki? see https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RUiKsY_WUaFJFvdR6ezFJ8Jx35JkHssy+ testing subgroup and
13:28:33 <lisa_> agenda+ Breakout sessions in March
13:29:27 <lisa_> agenda+ Wayfinding issue paper
13:31:55 <lisa_> agenda+ conversational interfaces paper. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1vCqlU1IF5UmqxhJAy8Khdi-kRQNPalVX8f3lCMr7w/edit#heading=h.9j8rnhzb9sv8
13:33:30 <lisa_> Agenda+ ag summary
13:33:45 <lisa_> Agenda+ Analisis document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nT-JXKeJBkn20btGX75BBmcjtTSX6CGE9YL2j-ZHQqc/edit?usp=sharing
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15:38:24 <lisa_> Regrets+ David, Jennie, Rachael
15:39:49 <lisa_> scribe list. please sign up https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list
15:52:35 <lisa_> Q?
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16:01:38 <lisa_> scribe: Julieraw
16:01:59 <lisa_> next item
16:02:19 <lisa_> take up item 2
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16:02:21 <julierawe> Lisa: We need Rain for 1st agenda item
16:02:21 <abbey> present+
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16:02:40 <Becca_Monteleone> I am having difficulty logging onto the zoom, and hope to join shortly!
16:02:48 <lisa_> agenda?
16:03:02 <lisa_> take up item 6
16:03:43 <lisa_> priortisation call tomorow
16:03:49 <lisa_> scribe+ lisa
16:03:51 <lisa_> priortisation call tomorow
16:04:20 <lisa_> lisa: have we done what you need from us
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16:04:53 <tburtin> present+
16:04:54 <lisa_> julie: crd sort may come first, and Im not sure if we need support for voting
16:05:00 <RAin> present+
16:05:18 <lisa_> close item 6
16:05:26 <kirkwood> present+
16:05:43 <lisa_> take up item 1
16:05:53 <julierawe> Rain is seeking early feedback before subgroup meeting on Thursday
16:06:32 <lisa_> Q= to say how can we fit in testing (no hurry)
16:07:02 <julierawe> Rain: This is not high-fidelity, it's simple "grey boxing" to give idea of what the layout will be
16:07:39 <julierawe> Rain: The publication details will be hidden with a dropdown so the first thing you see is introduction
16:07:57 <julierawe> Rain: Design and Build shows 5 main sections
16:08:28 <julierawe> Rain: "How to use this document" has accordions so you can expand each section
16:08:45 <julierawe> Rain: Gives you a step-by-step recommendation on how to use this document
16:09:21 <julierawe> Rain: "Design and Build" section is collapsed with short description of the 5 sections and they are also zippes
16:09:23 <julierawe> zippies
16:09:41 <julierawe> Rain: Can use "expand" option or click on the link
16:09:51 <lisa_> q+ to ask if we have a signal doc on what you have followed
16:10:31 <julierawe> Rain: If click into a section, will get tags for roles typically responsible. Tapping on these would take you to info that is relevant for that role
16:10:44 <lisa_> q+ to add tags on media/modality
16:10:56 <julierawe> Rain: Also includes at top of the section when these actions typically happen
16:11:24 <julierawe> Rain: Then patterns are presented in buckets (Informative, Logical, Safeguarded)
16:11:46 <julierawe> Rain: I've started going through what would be in a specific pattern, including visualized examples
16:12:16 <tburtin> q+
16:12:21 <lisa_> q+ on form look that isnt a form
16:12:32 <julierawe> Rain: Seeking early feedback now so we can address it when we meet on Thursday
16:12:59 <lisa_> ack t
16:13:25 <julierawe> Tiffany: Small request to give heads-up when moving the screen
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16:13:54 <julierawe> Tiffany: How will this work for screenreaders?
16:14:01 <julierawe> Rain: It will be in HTML
16:14:08 <julierawe> q+
16:14:15 <lisa_> ack next
16:14:16 <Zakim> lisa_, you wanted to ask if we have a signal doc on what you have followed and to add tags on media/modality and to comment on form look that isnt a form
16:14:44 <julierawe> Tiffany: Need to make sure labels are clear and tie together so no one gets lost
16:15:13 <julierawe> Lisa: We seem to have missed out on testing as an objective as well as general information
16:15:57 <julierawe> Lisa: Include findings from the work Shawn and Jennie did as a testing subgroup last year
16:16:08 <julierawe> Lisa: Include advice on user testing
16:16:32 <julierawe> Lisa: Sometimes there are 3 to 5 things you should test together
16:16:47 <julierawe> Lisa: The user testing might be better to have in a wiki format?
16:17:25 <julierawe> Lisa: Some people find it much easier to have a single document that they expand and print or that they expand and listen to
16:18:31 <julierawe> Lisa: People could get lost because you've done 5 clicks and you might have lost where it fits in the whole thing
16:18:47 <julierawe> Rain: There will be a lefthand column to help you see where you are — I haven't mocked that piece up yet
16:19:32 <julierawe> Rain: The side navigation will be always available
16:20:10 <julierawe> Lisa: We may want tags on the media modality, like some are specifically for speech
16:20:52 <lisa_> ack next
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16:21:23 <julierawe> Lisa: Where the pattern screen is, it looks like a form, but that's probably a prototyping thing
16:21:53 <lisa_> julie: it looks amazing
16:22:21 <lisa_> zoom into patterns screen
16:22:40 <lisa_> will the buckets be diffrent per objective
16:22:46 <RAin> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13mqcr4pNlhg-9jQ8gDX1b3KFFUCCq2xHe5Sq1sPeDFY/edit
16:22:56 <lisa_> rain: the bucket is diffrent for each one
16:23:19 <lisa_> (each bucket had the patterns grouped in a phrase)
16:24:01 <lisa_> julie:loves the buckets. caughtion with these terms so that the phrases invite people in and they nknow what it is
16:24:22 <kirkwood> +1 to buckets meeting
16:24:25 <tburtin> q+
16:24:35 <lisa_> ack next
16:25:16 <julierawe> Tiffany: I could help make the buckets more pronounced and easier to notice and understand
16:25:42 <lisa_> next item
16:25:51 <julierawe> Lisa: Can we move on to the next item? Fantastic job, Rain
16:26:17 <julierawe> Lisa: WCAG will come out later than our next version
16:26:28 <lisa_> close item 2
16:26:30 <julierawe> Lisa: Having a wiki might be the best way.
16:26:41 <julierawe> Lisa: We might need to publish as an editor's note
16:26:42 <lisa_> next item
16:27:19 <julierawe> Julie asked if other folks were getting an error when trying to open the doc Lisa shared
16:27:23 <julierawe> Becca said yes
16:28:09 <julierawe> Lisa: TPAC is when all the W3C gets together and there's an opportunity to give a presentation or have a breakoutsession
16:28:30 <julierawe> Lisa: TPAC is in September but they're also having breakout sessions in March
16:28:42 <julierawe> Lisa: These sessions will be at most 50 minutes
16:28:56 <julierawe> Lisa: Plenary is for raising awareness, at most 10 minutes
16:29:07 <julierawe> q+
16:29:27 <julierawe> Lisa: People who have something they want all of W3C to be aware of
16:29:27 <lisa_> To propose a session: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2024/issues/new?assignees=&labels=session&projects=&template=session.yml  For more information about W3C Breakouts Day 2024 (including who may propose a session, time slots, etc.), see: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2024/
16:29:52 <lisa_> Calendar  29 February: Deadline for proposals 1 March: Draft schedule announced 8 March: Stable schedule announced 12 March: W3C Breakouts Day 2024
16:29:56 <julierawe> Lisa: The deadline for proposals is the end of this month
16:30:46 <julierawe> Lisa: This is something new, that they're doing midway through the year to do TPAC-ish things
16:31:07 <julierawe> Lisa: Breakouts are parallel sessions that some groups might be interested in
16:31:16 <tburtin> TPAC 2024 Will be held on 23-27 September 2024 in Anaheim, CA, USA & online. Source: https://www.w3.org/news-events/w3c-tpac/#upcoming-tpac-2024
16:31:22 <julierawe> Lisa: Internationalization might be good, Mental Health might be good
16:31:38 <julierawe> Lisa: Part of the agenda could be do we want to do breakout
16:31:54 <julierawe> Lisa: The problem is it's in a month, on the 12th of March. Do we have time?
16:32:46 <julierawe> Lisa: These can take a lot of work so know your goal
16:32:56 <lisa_> Sessions  For this W3C Breakouts Day experiment we are soliciting two kinds of session proposals:  Breakout (for deep dives, smaller group, at most 50 minutes). We plan to schedule breakout sessions in parallel (ideally, no more than 5 in parallel). Plenary (for raising awareness, large group, at most 10 minutes). We plan to schedule plenary sessions back to back within a single hour, with no other sessions in parallel. (If we receive many plenary pro[CUT]
16:33:28 <julierawe> Lisa: Internationalization might be perfect for plenary
16:33:34 <julierawe> q+
16:34:07 <julierawe> Lisa: Rain, do you want to share new structure at a breakout?
16:34:09 <RAin> +1 but I need to see if it's possible for me to do that timing wise
16:34:21 <lisa_> ack next
16:35:10 <julierawe> Lisa: Internationalization could be recruiting opportunity
16:35:28 <lisa_> next item
16:35:28 <julierawe> Lisa: And if we can't do March, there's also September
16:35:46 <lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDtuC_iMyS_X6nXwyEEAu4Abp2tXHb86/edit
16:36:12 <lisa_> drive for testing subgroups work: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RUiKsY_WUaFJFvdR6ezFJ8Jx35JkHssy
16:36:46 <julierawe> Becca: I have taken these two issues papers as far as I can take them. Need robust review.
16:37:20 <lisa_> q+ to say do we need a new patern or change to content useable
16:37:42 <julierawe> Becca: We could build user stories around these three use cases: hospital, airport, grocery store
16:38:08 <julierawe> Lisa: Content Usable is where we have these use cases and scenarios. It doesn't have to go in this paper.
16:38:23 <kirkwood> q+
16:38:28 <julierawe> Lisa: We want to build out personas, but we don't have to do that in these issues papers. Can do in Making Content Usable
16:38:37 <lisa_> ack J
16:39:18 <julierawe> John K: Should we have aging as part of wayfinding? Does that go outside our range of thinking?
16:39:20 <lisa_> ack k
16:39:40 <julierawe> q+
16:40:03 <julierawe> Lisa: I don't know if that's a separate paper
16:40:57 <julierawe> Becca: In the previous draft, we added a sentence that some people may experience temporary cognitive issues.
16:41:14 <julierawe> Becca: Maybe we add another sentence that this requires more evidence or guidance?
16:42:22 <kirkwood> issue of “Wandering in People/ Patients with Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia” may be a topic to have awareness of
16:42:32 <julierawe> Lisa: Being able to track where you are gives people freedom
16:42:50 <julierawe> Becca: Maybe it will be clearer next week what the additional sentence is
16:42:59 <lisa_> note on informed concent
16:43:07 <kirkwood> potentiallly; Wandering in People or Patients with Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia
16:43:41 <julierawe> Lisa: Supported decision making and consent. Issue paper might be the right place to do that.
16:44:15 <lisa_> ack next
16:44:16 <Zakim> lisa_, you wanted to say do we need a new patern or change to content useable
16:44:24 <lisa_> ack next
16:44:38 <Leandro> q+
16:45:18 <lisa_> julie: can we do in door navigation as it is not online?  do we need a comment on scope
16:46:02 <julierawe> Julie: Suggest adding a note at the top of the paper that this issue paper is not about digital accessibility.
16:46:07 <lisa_> john: +1 more real world, and it makes a missunderstanding
16:46:21 <julierawe> Julie: That this is about wayfinding in physical spaces, not digital wayfinding
16:46:29 <lisa_> lets and a sentence on scope so people dont get confuced
16:47:01 <julierawe> John K: Two different kinds of topics. Let's make sure we don't create confusion.
16:47:30 <julierawe> Becca: Could we say this document is about technology-assisted navigation through indoor spaces?
16:47:42 <julierawe> John K: Geolocation is a potential word to use
16:48:07 <julierawe> Lisa: It's very similar to online wayfinding
16:48:32 <julierawe> John K: Geolocation and directions from place to place
16:49:32 <julierawe> Julie: Suggest adding "technology-assisted" to the title
16:50:29 <julierawe> John K: Or should it be split? This is about navigation in the physical world.
16:50:45 <julierawe> Becca: My focus is on navigating in physical space using technology.
16:50:55 <julierawe> Lisa: Do we have one on digital wayfinding?
16:51:06 <julierawe> John K: I seem to remember we did?
16:51:14 <julierawe> Lisa: I thought we'd combined them?
16:51:34 <julierawe> Becca: The Github/original version was just focused on indoor navigation.
16:52:10 <julierawe> Lisa: I'll doublecheck if we have separate paper on digital wayfinding
16:52:30 <julierawe> Lisa: Next steps. I think we're ready to move this into Github as an issue paper.
16:52:53 <julierawe> Lisa: The next step after that is seeing what we want to add to the next version of Making Content Usable
16:53:02 <julierawe> Lisa: What could we change? What should we change?
16:53:25 <julierawe> Lisa: Becca, because this is all in your head right now, can you look at Making Content Usable?
16:53:31 <lisa_> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
16:53:49 <julierawe> Lisa: The patterns are going to port and we're going to rework them a bit.
16:54:14 <julierawe> Lisa: Can we look at whether one of the personas have that already and we just need to do a tweak?
16:54:18 <julierawe> Becca: Yes
16:54:31 <lisa_> next item
16:54:37 <lisa_> ack next
16:55:01 <julierawe> Leandro: It's my first meeting with COGA. I started in December with Adapt.
16:55:11 <julierawe> Leandro: I met Rain a year and a half ago.
16:55:27 <julierawe> Leandro: I'm working on my PhD on people with intellectual disabilities.
16:55:49 <julierawe> Lisa: Tomorrow I'm having an orientation call with a new member on my personal zoom.
16:56:27 <lisa_> next item
16:56:55 <julierawe> Lisa: We've got 5 minutes left. Should we add conversational interfaces to a future meeting?
16:57:06 <julierawe> Becca: Yes. I will not be here next week.
16:57:19 <julierawe> Lisa: The week after is Presidents Day so maybe March 4?
16:57:40 <Becca_Monteleone> March 4 for conversational interfaces issue paper works!
16:58:08 <julierawe> Lisa: Lots of us are doing literary reviews. I was going to do a follow-on call so we could review together
16:58:29 <julierawe> Lisa: But now there are AG calls that conflict, so I'll send a spreadsheet asking for a good time to do this follow-on call
16:58:34 <julierawe> Lisa: I'll do that in the next few days
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16:59:02 <julierawe> Lisa: Is there anything else people want to touch on?
16:59:37 <julierawe> Leandro: Nice to meet you all
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