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15:51:49 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
15:52:10 <Fazio_> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
15:53:05 <Fazio_> Agenda+ New Business
15:53:22 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issues 43 and 85 (Doc Usability work: Stacey, Jeff, Mark, Susi)
15:53:38 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Maturity Model Scoring
15:54:00 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issue #78 3.3.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Support section: why is knowledge and skills mentioned
15:54:00 <gb> /issues/78 -> #78
15:54:26 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issue #104 Proof points = Written or tangible evidence, according to definition, not an 'or' / 'other' part / sub-section
15:54:26 <gb> /issues/104 -> #104
15:54:51 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Github Issue #103 Where are the "Outcomes" in the Maturity Model Structure?
15:54:51 <gb> /issues/103 -> #103
15:58:16 <Fazio_> Chair: Fazio
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16:04:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:06:38 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Had a meeting with Intel head of accessibility. Intel is using the maturity model. Having some difficulties as they are so big. Will be reaching out to Brian for participation.
16:06:52 <Mark_Miller> Zakim, next item
16:06:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Github Issues 43 and 85 (Doc Usability work: Stacey, Jeff, Mark, Susi) -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:07:53 <stacey> stacey: link to google doc for potential solves for issues 43, 85, and 89. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wrhomdc2gJWIkDPOveiH3_ig1bddTMonEhIDZIzohrc/edit?usp=sharing
16:10:56 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Issues 43, 85 and 89: usability of understanding how to rate and evaluate proof point How to rate and evaluate the dimensions of each section
16:11:28 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Review of google doc
16:14:29 <SusiPallero> present+
16:14:48 <SusiPallero> +1 to Mark's comment on "measurable" term
16:15:08 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Should Optimize say they have proof?
16:15:36 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Document is editable and welcome suggestions
16:16:08 <SusiPallero> q+
16:16:29 <Mark_Miller> stacey: This removes the table
16:17:09 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: Moves it above the proof points
16:17:16 <Fazio_> q?
16:18:00 <Fazio_> ack SusiPallero
16:18:26 <Mark_Miller> SusiPallero: The document is a little redundant and may need review.
16:19:20 <Mark_Miller> stacey: One or two people to read through the whole document then assign editors
16:21:11 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Does it work the same if we say you have proof points that demonstrate…
16:22:10 <Mark_Miller> jeff
16:22:26 <Mark_Miller> kline: Put heigh up: achieved maturity level proof point should be supported by documentation.
16:23:35 <Mark_Miller> stacey: May need to review for clarity. Use different methods to review – read, listen etc.
16:24:05 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Each one is customized for the section. Take a look and add comments.
16:25:07 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Read the comment Jeff and Susi added
16:25:35 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Reading proof points 43, 85 and 89
16:27:04 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Resolving issues. Will update later comment then.
16:27:42 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: I would only close issues when in the editor’s draft.
16:29:30 <Mark_Miller> janina: Create and editor’s draft and make changes there. Close the issue once it is in the editor’s draft.
16:32:42 <Fazio_> Usability google doc addresses Issues 43 and 85. Will close once Editors drsft is updated
16:33:46 <Fazio_> q?
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16:34:15 <Mark_Miller> kline: MJ is looking for consistent language across all dimensions. I think Stacey started that. We could come up with global language… Stacey has done that. Addresses 85
16:34:48 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Will it address 89?
16:35:08 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Reading 89
16:35:51 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Looking at it aligning with clarity and consistency
16:36:49 <Mark_Miller> zakim, next item
16:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Maturity Model Scoring -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:39:24 <Mark_Miller> kline: The way the scoring is set up is confusing and not that meaningful. Need to focus on a new scoring method going forward. Trying to set up different level of scores at different stages is confusing and not meaningful Need a way to tally these things. Ie. we have 5 pp in integrate and 5 in optimize and 5 launch.
16:39:58 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Scoring can be ambiguous. Same issue in WCAG.
16:40:28 <CharlesL1> q+
16:40:57 <Mark_Miller> kline: Can’t solve it now. Volunteer to take up a subgroup to come up with a better method for showing progress.
16:43:00 <Fazio_> q?
16:43:07 <Fazio_> ack CharlesL1
16:43:15 <Mark_Miller> Mark_Miller: I’d like to be part of subgroup
16:43:57 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: I’d like to be part of the subgroup. View for each dimension: what is the majority of proof points and get a sense.
16:45:09 <Fazio_> q?
16:45:44 <Mark_Miller> kline: Should someone build a set of requirements for web interface?
16:46:04 <Fazio_> ack kline
16:46:10 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: Export feature in jSon
16:46:42 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Don’t want to house at W3C
16:46:55 <Mark_Miller> Zakim, next item
16:46:55 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Mark_Miller
16:47:01 <CharlesL1> ack me
16:47:12 <Fazio_> q?
16:47:18 <Mark_Miller> zakim, next item
16:47:18 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #78 3.3.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Support section: why is knowledge and skills mentioned -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:47:18 <gb> /issues/78 -> #78
16:48:33 <Mark_Miller> Fazio_: Tried to address last time group was small so doing again.
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16:49:21 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/78
16:49:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/78 -> Issue 78 3.3.2 Ratings for Evaluation - Support section: why is knowledge and skills mentioned? (by maryjom)
16:49:47 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: Reading 78
16:51:04 <Mark_Miller> kline: In support: training is in place with staff to support dimension
16:52:08 <Mark_Miller> kline: Modify to say there is no training programs in place for support staff.
16:52:51 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: It is inconsistent but in tables that are going to be rewritten. Need to be consistent.
16:53:32 <Mark_Miller> kline: K&S section is over all org plan. Dimensions need some kind of training.
16:54:07 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: Two solutions: label them out or say in each dimension that they’re provided.
16:54:33 <stacey> q+
16:54:59 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: We need to update the document for each proof point.
16:55:06 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: Who wants to update the document?
16:55:13 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: Will do
16:55:40 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: With the outcome, will I have to wait for the table?
16:55:52 <stacey> ack stacey
16:55:54 <Fazio> ack stacey
16:56:01 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Need to align documents
16:56:36 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: Are we ready to update documents?
16:57:10 <Mark_Miller> stacey: Need to do updates but can do Charles’ updates first
16:57:39 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: You can do and Charles plug in or we can do it along the way.
16:57:57 <Mark_Miller> stacey: I can add to the updates
16:58:16 <Mark_Miller> CharlesL1: Need to nail down language
16:58:58 <Fazio> charles and stacey will present updated language next week
16:59:06 <Mark_Miller> Fazio: Stacy and Charles will present updated language
16:59:16 <Mark_Miller> Zakim, end meeting
16:59:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, CharlesL, Nichole_, stacey, Mark_Miller, janina, nadine, kline, nehaj, SusiPallero
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