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10:35:29 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
10:35:29 <lisa> agenda?
10:35:29 <lisa> clear agenda
10:35:34 <lisa> read agenda from https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2024Jan/0030.html
10:35:41 <lisa> agenda?
10:35:51 <lisa> read agenda from <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2024Jan/0030.html>
10:35:55 <lisa> agenda?
10:37:30 <lisa> agenda+
10:37:36 <lisa> agenda+ Sort out agenda for next week's meeting with AG
10:37:56 <lisa> agenda+ Revised Mental health proposals at Proposed pattern and changes for Content-Usable version 3 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.b3qyg4vvkf1>
10:38:21 <lisa> agenda+ How to put changes into the next draft of content useable.
10:38:50 <lisa> agenda+ New timeline. Lets take some pressure off. See our new time line <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBu9OhGoMG4lLDBRaRFZZxGoNWW-aDkKkVKrypfPvVc/edit>
10:39:33 <lisa> agenda+ 5 minutes on AG summary
10:45:50 <lisa> scribe: Eric
10:46:28 <lisa> agenda?
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15:41:21 <lisa_> agenda?
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15:55:09 <lisa_> regrets: jennie
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16:03:29 <lisa_> scribe: ric
16:03:33 <lisa_> scribe: eric
16:03:38 <lisa_> next item
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16:04:22 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Next weeks agenda includes mix discussion between content usable and WCAG 3
16:04:27 <DavidSwallow> present+
16:04:34 <lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UAFHZuxmyhYAjZZyWxp_rvhIHuXmeWQosgVZD5LcxmM/edit#heading=h.kv0usnbv00t
16:05:00 <julierawe> Is this during our regular COGA meeting next week?
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16:06:21 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Topics include Subgroups, WCAG 3, outcomes, AG terminology coherence
16:06:47 <Rain> confirming that the plan sounds good to me
16:07:00 <Eric_hind> Lisa: All COGA are invited to next meeting where this will be discussed (next week)
16:07:57 <Eric_hind> Julie: Good conversation to have on Clear language from our perspective versus WCAG 3
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16:08:42 <JMcSorley> present+ Jan
16:08:53 <lisa_> next item
16:08:59 <kirkwood> present+
16:09:57 <lisa_> agenda?
16:10:08 <julierawe> https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173714
16:10:16 <lisa_> take up item 5
16:11:33 <Eric_hind> Julie: Note currently there is voting on discussion Github; publishing starting point from links.  What's new versus picking up from 2.2, guidelines, conformance model, etc.  Github issues can be voted on.
16:11:45 <julierawe> AG debate about how to approach publishing WCAG 3: Here is a link to a summary of the Jan 16th discussion: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173714
16:11:52 <julierawe> There are 4 main debates. Each one has its own GitHub comment that you can thumbs up or thumbs down. I am highlighting two of these debates:
16:11:59 <julierawe> The starting point should be the WCAG 3 outcomes. If you think the starting point should be publishing new WCAG 3 outcomes, then click thumbs up in this comment. If you think the starting point should be showing how WCAG 3 is compatible with WCAG 2.2, click thumbs down. https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173718
16:12:04 <julierawe> We should focus on guidelines (rather than conformance) for a while, then come back to conformance / structural updates. Thumbs up for "yes", down for "no, we should keep working on conformance / structure at the same time".  https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173720
16:12:06 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Read the issues at a summary level if you can as a starting point.
16:13:47 <kirkwood> q+
16:13:54 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Two ways to move forward; take WCAG 2.2 and make changes and republish.  Not from Silver.  Other option is start from Silver and work from fall efforts.
16:14:50 <Rachael> This is the direct link to the comment that is most impactful. https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173718
16:15:53 <lisa_> ack j
16:15:59 <Rachael> When you click the link, wait for the page to fully load and the comment at the top is the one to focus on.
16:16:52 <Eric_hind> John: Fundamentally huge question with a lot of positive and negative  for either choice.
16:18:48 <julierawe> Add a thumbs up to this comment: https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/33#discussioncomment-8173718
16:19:13 <Rachael> q+
16:19:45 <Eric_hind> Julie: Link provided is main thumbs up/down perspective
16:19:59 <lisa_> ack next
16:20:07 <lisa_> ack next
16:20:11 <kirkwood> q-
16:21:20 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Can offer a call to discuss the complexities; which she will (tomorrow) and will email COGA on meeting availability
16:21:23 <lisa_> take up item 2
16:22:29 <lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.lhdm88jj5cym
16:23:19 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Proposal 8 discussion New Pattern, Make it easy to return to the starting point (of a site hierarchy or multistep process)
16:23:34 <lisa_> Q?
16:26:26 <Rain> q+
16:26:27 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Losing track of home page can be aggravated by stress, mental health and cognitive overload - disorienting.  Reorientation can be assisted by providing affordances related to helping
16:26:38 <lisa_> ack next
16:27:34 <kirkwood> +1 to Rain, re: homepage vs start of process
16:27:39 <lisa_> ?
16:27:40 <Eric_hind> Rain: Concern on differentiation of home page and start of a flow - perhaps they need to be split up in complex sites.
16:30:11 <Eric_hind> Lisa: We do have Making Step Clear already; could add further clarity related to this?  We may also want to split home page/start of flow in other sections.  Propose drafting this as a note.
16:30:39 <lisa_> proposal we put it in with a note that they split and / or also get meged into other patterns
16:30:54 <Rain> +1 that makes sense for the current setup
16:31:04 <lisa_> +1
16:31:05 <Eric_hind> +1
16:31:11 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
16:31:29 <JustineP> +1
16:31:35 <kirkwood> +1
16:32:17 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Vote to include editors note on splitting this as a future instruction; voted positively by those present
16:32:24 <lisa_> Q?
16:34:13 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Proposal 10, make Simplify complex purchasing processes (adding to current 4.6.2 Short Critical Path)
16:34:24 <lisa_> +1
16:34:26 <Eric_hind> +1
16:34:28 <kirkwood> +1
16:34:30 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
16:34:39 <JMcSorley> +1
16:34:42 <lisa_> any objections?
16:34:51 <lisa_> or more time to think
16:34:51 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Voted to include as example, no objections.
16:34:52 <Rain> q+
16:35:03 <lisa_> ack next
16:36:12 <Eric_hind> Rain: Concern on how to act on it - not as prescriptive as it might be.
16:36:32 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Clarify that this part of a set of examples
16:37:18 <Eric_hind> John:  Recommend adding more text here around reduce cognitive load - Lisa added to proposal
16:37:29 <lisa_> +1
16:38:00 <Eric_hind> +1
16:38:05 <lisa_> q?
16:38:06 <kirkwood> +1
16:38:10 <rashmi> +1
16:38:15 <lisa_> any objections? or more time to think
16:38:21 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Voted to include additional text, no objections.
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16:40:25 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Proposal 11: Clearly identify controls and their use or Make the relationship clear between controls and the content they affect.  Make links and controls explicit; less/no inference required
16:45:03 <Eric_hind> Lisa: proposal is to add this text suggestion to 4.2.6.2 What to do as part of existing; 4.2.5 Make the relationship clear between controls and the content they affect (pattern).
16:45:10 <lisa_> happy with the edits?
16:45:20 <lisa_> +1
16:45:23 <Eric_hind> +1
16:45:29 <JMcSorley> +1
16:45:36 <Becca_Monteleone> +1
16:45:41 <rashmi> +1
16:46:04 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Voted to include adjusted text, no objections.
16:46:27 <lisa_> agenda?
16:46:54 <lisa_> next item
16:47:02 <Eric_hind> Lisa: How to put changes in the next draft of content usable - discussion
16:48:02 <Eric_hind> Lisa: github folder structure review/branches.. proposes regular pull request.
16:48:43 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Proposal: Merge and resynch much more regularly.
16:49:38 <Rain> q+
16:50:11 <lisa_> ack next
16:51:01 <Eric_hind> Rain: This does make sense; I could plan out the larger change over to content usable in a few months.
16:51:51 <Eric_hind> q+
16:52:03 <lisa_> ack next
16:54:49 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Will need some help/experience with pull requests, Jan can help with the process, but there should be a coordinated effort to know/learn about branch process.
16:55:29 <kirkwood> interersted in attending
16:56:03 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Jan to create some written process and work with someone from W3C
16:56:03 <lisa_> agenda?
16:56:46 <Rain> +1 sounds good
16:56:58 <lisa_> next item
16:57:14 <Eric_hind> Lisa:  We can plan out a code freeze (more or less) when Rain is ready to do the large merge.
16:57:27 <lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBu9OhGoMG4lLDBRaRFZZxGoNWW-aDkKkVKrypfPvVc/edit#heading=h.ykqwx9vsxdya
16:58:04 <kirkwood> “Timeline for v3 of Content Usable”
16:58:42 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Topic, timeline to take pressure off, new structure, mental health, placeholders, images, etc and literary reviews. (Phase 1 Jan-April 2024)
17:00:34 <JustineP> where do editorial reviews fit in the schedule?
17:01:01 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Looking to get local (docs) style drafts, we can have lightweight placeholders, and similar draft level items as a way to remove pressure from the formal draft.
17:02:26 <julierawe> Have to drop, thanks!
17:02:39 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Do people want scheduled working meeting where we do literary reviews together?
17:03:01 <Eric_hind> +1
17:03:01 <lisa_> do we want a working meeting for lit reviews?
17:03:05 <JustineP> would be helpful
17:03:12 <DavidSwallow> +1
17:03:21 <Becca_Monteleone> I could do it if it was at the time of this meeting
17:03:33 <Becca_Monteleone> And it would be helpful!
17:03:41 <JMcSorley> I could do either during this meeting or after this meeting.
17:03:42 <tburtin> Same, I could do at this time of the meeting.
17:03:51 <Eric_hind> Mornings EST fine by me
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