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19:02:46 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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19:05:59 <dmontalvo> scribe: dmontalvo
19:07:14 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
19:07:14 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
19:07:49 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/January-16%2C-2024-Agenda
19:12:01 <dmontalvo> Topic: Status of Site Updates
19:12:14 <dmontalvo> Jemma: 2 issues.
19:12:31 <dmontalvo> ... 2775 for Feed example. Good work Ari
19:13:00 <dmontalvo> Ari: Jemma comment there's a color contrast issue in the Hight of a button, I need to fix this
19:13:12 <dmontalvo> Jemma: In TalkBack, each restaurant was read twice
19:14:02 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Not as serious as I was anticipating based on what you said
19:14:26 <dmontalvo> Matt: That sounds like a TalkBack issue
19:15:08 <dmontalvo> ... I don't see anything obvious in the coding that suggests there is a problem with the Feed code
19:15:17 <dmontalvo> ... I think we are safe to merge
19:15:38 <dmontalvo> ... Are the visual design issues addressed?
19:15:48 <dmontalvo> Jemma: I approved the color contrast fixes
19:15:59 <dmontalvo> ... These are done
19:16:16 <dmontalvo> s/I need to fix/I fixed/
19:16:42 <dmontalvo> Ari: There is a check that keeps failing that is not related to this PR
19:17:00 <dmontalvo> Jemma: Link checker
19:17:04 <dmontalvo> ARI: In the contributing page
19:17:30 <Jem> https://deploy-preview-248--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/patterns/feed/examples/feed/
19:17:50 <dmontalvo> Matt: That's weird, there is no change on that file
19:18:01 <Jem> Arie did great job on updating two things - color contrast and target size minimum
19:18:17 <dmontalvo> ... Last time we had a link checker failure that was on a wiki link
19:18:42 <Jem> s/color contrast issue in the Hight of a button,/color contrast issue And the Hight of a button, touch target size/
19:19:26 <dmontalvo> Matt: We fixed the wiki ones
19:19:31 <Jem> present+
19:19:36 <Jem> present +ari
19:19:41 <Jem> present+ andrea
19:19:51 <Jem> present+ jon
19:20:37 <Jem> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/about/contributing/
19:20:58 <Jem> above is correct ulr.
19:21:05 <Jem> s/ulr/url/
19:21:17 <dmontalvo> Jemma: We need to get rid of the last references
19:21:21 <Jem> we need to remove https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/about/contributing/contributing.html
19:23:21 <dmontalvo> Ari: I don't have that contributing folder locally
19:23:53 <dmontalvo> Matt: You may want to merge main in to your branch
19:24:22 <dmontalvo> Topic: 2023 retroperspective
19:24:48 <dmontalvo> Matt: First acknowledge the progress during 2023
19:25:03 <dmontalvo> ... Then figure out what went well and what did not go so well
19:25:29 <dmontalvo> ... I made a changelog for 2023 and I have it in the wiki
19:25:30 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/APG-Website-Change-Log
19:26:02 <dmontalvo> ... In that there were 61 commits that we made to the repo last year that were not infrastructure
19:26:25 <dmontalvo> ... Big changes to examples
19:26:36 <Jem> present+ Cory
19:26:36 <dmontalvo> ... Datepicker
19:26:41 <dmontalvo> ... Changes for aria-expanded
19:26:54 <dmontalvo> s/expanded/expanded=false/
19:27:13 <dmontalvo> ... Added AT support tables last year
19:27:23 <dmontalvo> ... We added the new contributors page
19:27:55 <dmontalvo> ... Overall there were 11 changes to guidance
19:28:20 <dmontalvo> ... The biggest bucket here is 202 general quality improvements
19:28:38 <dmontalvo> ... Mainly bug fixes
19:29:15 <dmontalvo> ... Thanks to everyone in this meeting, all of you have contributed to this plus others who are not here today
19:30:13 <dmontalvo> Matt: We need to talk about what did not go so well
19:30:49 <dmontalvo> ... For a few years now we've been focused on testing changes
19:31:01 <dmontalvo> ... So that we can move as quickly as we want on PRs
19:32:06 <dmontalvo> ... We said we'd do some work on prioritizing better
19:33:27 <dmontalvo> Jemma: We can celebrate that we have new two members, Andrea and ARI, and also Cory who have been contributing to the resource. Good that we have two female developers
19:33:43 <dmontalvo> Ari: Glad to be part of the team, looking forward to 2024
19:33:52 <dmontalvo> Andrea: Cool to be working with you
19:34:12 <dmontalvo> Matt: What did you learn during 2023?
19:34:41 <dmontalvo> Andrea: I was not very familiar with these committees, different processes, documentation, releases, etc
19:35:40 <dmontalvo> ... The nuances between changing "might" to "may" and how that works in the context of screen readers and other ATs
19:37:51 <dmontalvo> Ari: We've learned a lot about how important language is. Also it's great to work on these things after having visited thesse pagesas a contributor
19:38:27 <dmontalvo> Jemma: I appreciate your patience
19:38:42 <dmontalvo> Ari: Thanks for your help
19:39:30 <dmontalvo> Matt: I am curious about the tone of this group. How does it feel? Any ideas to make it feel better?
19:39:59 <dmontalvo> Cory: I feel like It is a very welcoming environment
19:40:27 <dmontalvo> ... You all have fantastic patience for newcomers
19:41:34 <dmontalvo> Ari: Everyone has been very positive, and you do have to be nit-picky
19:41:46 <dmontalvo> Cory: Sometimes it's just taking care of the details
19:42:39 <dmontalvo> Matt: This work is mainly to help engineers who work on their own silos but also to help people who work for big companies
19:43:21 <dmontalvo> ... For example, I wasn't aware of the preference for the `for` attribute for labling
19:44:21 <dmontalvo> Matt: I wonder if people have ideas to shorten the time it takes to move things forward
19:44:46 <dmontalvo> Jemma: Everyone has a fulltime job
19:49:59 <dmontalvo> Matt: It is improtant to explain why sometimes we cannot get to things that people comment
19:50:49 <dmontalvo> John: A big addition is the work of the ARIA-AT CG
19:51:16 <dmontalvo> ... We have a human resource issue in the group
19:52:01 <dmontalvo> ... It take some time to figure out W3C frameworks and processes
19:52:33 <dmontalvo> ... Maybe we can do a social event to recruit more people
19:52:50 <dmontalvo> Matt: I think we need to make it easier for people to contribute
19:53:23 <dmontalvo> John: And maybe put it in the About page
19:53:53 <dmontalvo> Matt: It would be cool to put together a list of name
19:54:30 <dmontalvo> Jemma: I am glad about the idea of the handles
19:54:53 <dmontalvo> Topic: Defining APG bug severity framework
19:55:17 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2901
19:55:27 <dmontalvo> Matt: I put two questions. One is how many levels of severity we want to have. Second is what the severity factors are
19:55:51 <dmontalvo> ... Whenever we get a bug report and is acknowledged as a bug, we label it as severe, and we prioritize based on most visited pages
19:56:06 <dmontalvo> ... We should be able to make these severity jugments easily
19:56:37 <dmontalvo> ... My intuition is 2 - 3 levels
19:57:18 <dmontalvo> Jemma: For example, how would we prioritize the bug with TalkBack with combo box?
19:57:48 <dmontalvo> Matt: If we have three levels of severity there is always the debate between 1 or 2, or between 2 or 3
19:57:55 <dmontalvo> ... Two levels will simplify
19:58:05 <dmontalvo> Cory: I think for the amount of editorial, 3 makes sense
19:58:15 <dmontalvo> Daniel: +1 to Cory
19:58:50 <dmontalvo> Matt: Then if we have a high trafic page we can consider the moderates as highs
19:59:08 <dmontalvo> q+
20:00:38 <jongund> got to go
20:00:52 <dmontalvo> Cory: P3: Editorial, P2: non-breaking functionality, P1: serious funcionality  issues
20:01:07 <dmontalvo> Cory: I like the ambiguity of P1 - P3
20:02:32 <dmontalvo> Matt: Do we have consensus on P1 P2 P3?
20:03:12 <dmontalvo> Matt: I'd say P1 is bugs that block users
20:03:40 <dmontalvo> ... P2 non-blocking functionality defects
20:03:54 <dmontalvo> ... P3 bugs that are cosmetic/annoyances
20:04:33 <dmontalvo> Matt: I think there is consensus on the P1 - P3 measurement, we may need to tweak the wording
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20:04:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/16-aria-apg-minutes.html dmontalvo
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