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15:49:26 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
15:49:49 <ivan> Meeting: Verifiable Credentials Working Group Telco
15:49:49 <ivan> Date: 2024-01-10
15:49:49 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/ae05a21b-c065-4e69-8d5e-352a0d391513/20240110T110000/
15:49:49 <ivan> chair: brent
15:49:50 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2024-01-10: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/ae05a21b-c065-4e69-8d5e-352a0d391513/20240110T110000/
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16:05:32 <brent> ack manu
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16:06:16 <DavidC> Manu: need to publish vc specs directory as a note
16:06:56 <DavidC> ... make it so that any updates are automatically published
16:07:43 <manu> q+
16:07:48 <manu> q-
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16:09:07 <brentz> Topic: VCDM 2.0 Candidate Recommendation Proposal
16:09:11 <brentz> q?
16:09:39 <manu> The prepared CR-ready draft is here: https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/CR/2024-01-30/
16:09:51 <DavidC> brentz: just 2 PRs maked before PR
16:10:00 <manu> and the corresponding vc-specs-dir is here: https://w3c.github.io/vc-specs-dir/NOTE/2024-01-30/
16:10:10 <DavidC> maked -> marked
16:10:54 <selfissued> q+
16:11:09 <DavidC> Any changes to 1397 not merged should not affect the published CR technical content
16:11:19 <brentz> ack selfissued
16:11:35 <ivan> q+
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16:12:00 <TallTed> s/PRs maked before/PRs marked before/
16:12:00 <TallTed> s/maked -> marked//
16:12:04 <DavidC> selfissued: waiting for 1404 to be merged before resolving some PRs in JOSE-COSE
16:12:12 <brentz> ack ivan
16:13:02 <DavidC> ivan: diagrams have been updated but waiting for comments from manu
16:13:21 <DavidC> manu: this looks fine
16:13:39 <TallTed> q+
16:14:10 <DavidC> whilst 1404 is editorial selfissued's changes are not
16:14:35 <brentz> ack TallTed
16:14:55 <DavidC> TallTed: has issues with long media type
16:15:20 <DavidC> ... image that says the media type has a typo
16:15:27 <TallTed> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1404/files?diff=unified&w=1#diff-a243d1366958acf1007436feb951d911ac6cf5c489a8deff49a8fd125a32d85f
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16:16:37 <DavidC> selfissued: one minus sign should change to a +
16:17:15 <DavidC> ivan: I cannot do it today sorry, can someone else?
16:17:47 <DavidC> TallTed: I will do a change suggestion on the PR
16:18:01 <DavidC> selfissued: either I or manu should merge it
16:18:10 <DavidC> manu: I will merge it
16:19:13 <DavidC> brentz: after 1397 is merged or closed we will begin the process of moving VCDMv2 to CR
16:20:06 <manu> q+
16:20:27 <DavidC> q+
16:20:38 <brentz> ack manu
16:20:46 <ivan> q+
16:21:00 <DavidC> manu: do we need to say that we can update this at any time?
16:21:18 <brentz> ack DavidC
16:21:29 <manu> DavidC: We said we're going to publish with a date, but then update, what do we do about the date?
16:21:53 <manu> q+
16:21:55 <manu> q-
16:22:03 <brentz> ack ivan
16:22:28 <DavidC> ivan: publish wont happend before next Friday
16:22:45 <DavidC> ... initial publication date will be 23 Jan 24
16:23:08 <DavidC> ... once it is in the system the automatic publication process automatically updates the date
16:23:26 <DavidC> ... its only the first version that we have to specify a date
16:23:40 <brentz> PROPOSAL: We will publish VC Specs Directories located at https://w3c.github.io/vc-specs-dir/NOTE/2024-01-30/ as a Note as soon as it is ready and we plan to update the Note as needed..
16:23:49 <manu> +1
16:23:50 <dlongley> +1
16:23:59 <andres> +1
16:24:05 <pdl_asu> +1
16:24:05 <brentz> +1
16:24:06 <ivan> +1
16:24:06 <DavidC> +1
16:24:12 <cabernet> +1
16:24:12 <JoeAndrieu> +1
16:24:13 <TallTed> +q
16:24:20 <TallTed> whoops
16:24:21 <bigbluehat> +1
16:24:23 <pauld_gs1> +1
16:24:23 <TallTed> q-
16:24:24 <TallTed> +1
16:24:32 <Kevin-Dean-GS1> +1
16:24:43 <brentz> RESOLVED: We will publish VC Specs Directories located at https://w3c.github.io/vc-specs-dir/NOTE/2024-01-30/ as a Note as soon as it is ready and we plan to update the Note as needed..
16:24:56 <DavidC> brentz: resoved unanimously
16:25:13 <TallTed> typo fix suggestions on 1404 -- https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1404#pullrequestreview-1813608389
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16:26:43 <selfissued> +1
16:27:03 <brentz> PROPOSAL: We will transition Verifiable Credentials Data Model v2.0 located at https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/CR/2024-01-30/ to Candidate Recommendation after either merging or closing PR 1397
16:27:06 <ivan> present+ andres
16:27:08 <ivan> +1
16:27:10 <brentz> +1
16:27:10 <dlongley> +1
16:27:11 <DavidC> +1
16:27:12 <TallTed> +1
16:27:12 <manu> +1
16:27:14 <cabernet> +1
16:27:15 <pdl_asu> +1
16:27:17 <bigbluehat> +1
16:27:17 <pauld_gs1> +1
16:27:34 <andres> +1
16:27:50 <ivan> q+
16:27:53 <Kevin-Dean-GS1> +1
16:28:13 <selfissued> +1
16:28:20 <brentz> RESOLVED: We will transition Verifiable Credentials Data Model v2.0 located at https://w3c.github.io/vc-data-model/CR/2024-01-30/ to Candidate Recommendation after either merging or closing PR 1397
16:28:28 <DavidC> brentz: resolved unanimouslu
16:28:43 <TallTed> s/unanimouslu/unanimously/
16:29:06 <brentz> ack ivan
16:29:10 <ivan> https://github.com/w3c/verifiable-credentials/blob/main/admin/CR-vcdm/Approval_request.md
16:29:57 <DavidC> ivan: will update and cross check the approval request text with the URL I published
16:30:09 <brentz> Topic: VC Spec Directories Volunteers
16:30:13 <DavidC> s/will/will manu/
16:30:39 <manu> q+
16:30:48 <brentz> ack manu
16:31:11 <manu> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2024Jan/0010.html
16:31:25 <DavidC> manu: sent out a request for volunteers to maintain registeries and got 16 volunteers
16:31:48 <DavidC> ... 5 are from the general community, rest are not
16:32:22 <DavidC> ... are explaining work to volunteers to see if they are still interested
16:32:57 <DavidC> ... we should be able to put 6 volunteers on each registry (DIDs and spec directory)
16:33:40 <DavidC> ... I do not want to share the emails of the volunteer, but will share their linked in pages
16:34:12 <manu> q+
16:34:20 <brentz> ack manu
16:34:27 <DavidC> ... if anyone objects to anyone in this list they can notify the group
16:34:58 <brentz> Topic: Bitstring Status List
16:35:14 <manu> PRs for Bitstring Status List -- https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pulls
16:36:40 <manu> q+
16:36:47 <brentz> ack manu
16:36:49 <DavidC> brentz: 20 PRs but majority are almost ready for merging
16:37:14 <DavidC> manu: the plan is to merge them all this weekend
16:37:49 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/100
16:38:31 <DavidC> ... we had 3 status purpose values: revocation, suspension and status
16:38:41 <DavidC> ... we have changed status to message
16:39:13 <DavidC> ... we have pre-pended the word status to some of the property names
16:39:24 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/105
16:40:00 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/110
16:40:07 <DavidC> ... these affect existing implementations, but not technically difficult
16:40:22 <DavidC> ... request to change base64 to base64url
16:40:56 <DavidC> ... but there is no type for base64url yet
16:41:08 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/112
16:41:27 <DavidC> ... request to retrieve historical status list
16:41:47 <DavidC> ... so option to add date-time to the request
16:42:16 <DavidC> ... some discussions about what to do if the issuer does not have the status list at the requested date-time
16:42:58 <DavidC> ... nobody has implemented this feature yet, so should we fully specify this feature or wait for implementation experience
16:43:11 <DavidC> q+
16:43:29 <brentz> ack DavidC
16:44:15 <manu> DavidC: We would like implementer feedback, but we shouldn't have a spec that has multiple options on the reply - that might be confusing to implementers. Select one option for the reply (when you don't have one, we should say you MUST/SHOULD return an error) vs. "it's up to implementers"
16:44:40 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/118
16:44:41 <DavidC> manu: we can make this change
16:45:15 <DavidC> ... we should not mix and match the security mechanisms on the status list and the vcs that it contains
16:45:46 <DavidC> ... they should all use the same mechanism e.g. JWT or data integrity
16:46:05 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/119
16:46:23 <DavidC> ... adds an at risk marker to the bitstring format
16:46:48 <DavidC> ... because there is parallel work in the IETF, so we might wish to align
16:46:57 <brentz> IETF work https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-status-list/
16:47:49 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/121
16:48:02 <DavidC> ... renames herd privacy to group privacy
16:48:39 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/123
16:49:03 <DavidC> ... adding an at risk marker to the multiple status list feature
16:49:37 <cabernet> I believe we intend to implement it
16:49:38 <DavidC> ... if there are insufficient implementors of this feature it will be removed
16:50:20 <DavidC> ... we will need a test suite for it as well as implementations
16:50:34 <ivan> q+
16:50:52 <brentz> ack ivan
16:51:06 <manu> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/vc-bitstring-status-list/pull/105
16:51:15 <DavidC> ivan: pr 105??
16:51:33 <DavidC> manu:  what is the vocabulory URL for the status list?
16:51:54 <DavidC> ... several proposals for this
16:51:58 <manu> This could be one of the vocabulary URL prefixes: https://www.w3.org/ns/credentials/status-list#
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16:52:27 <manu> This could be one of the vocabulary URL prefixes: https://www.w3.org/2018/credentials/status#
16:52:47 <DavidC> manu: we need to pick one and go with it
16:52:57 <ivan> q+
16:52:58 <manu> This could be one of the vocabulary URL prefixes: https://www.w3.org/ns/credentials/status#
16:53:41 <DavidC> ... but does not align with 2118 existing terms
16:53:56 <brentz> ack ivan
16:54:12 <DavidC> ... should there be a date in the terms or not?
16:54:53 <manu> q+ to note that V2 context is: https://www.w3.org/ns/credentials/v2
16:54:54 <ivan> s/2118/2018/
16:55:15 <brentz> ack manu
16:55:15 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that V2 context is: https://www.w3.org/ns/credentials/v2
16:56:19 <TallTed> q+
16:56:26 <DavidC> brentz: do we want to have a poll on the name?
16:56:50 <brentz> ack TallTed
16:57:30 <manu> POLL: What should the status list vocabulary URL be Choice A) https://www.w3.org/ns/credentials/status#  and Choice B)  https://www.w3.org/2018/credentials/status# ?
16:57:38 <ivan> B
16:57:39 <manu> A
16:57:48 <andres> A
16:57:55 <brentz> A
16:57:56 <pdl_asu> A
16:58:00 <DavidC> B
16:58:08 <pauld_gs1> A
16:58:12 <JoeAndrieu> B
16:58:46 <DavidC> q+
16:58:50 <Kevin-Dean-GS1> A
16:58:55 <brentz> ack DavidC
16:59:24 <manu> DavidC: The reason I wanted the date is if you want to change a definition, if you have date in there, change in definition could have a new date. I see how you can append/remove, but changing them is not possible.
16:59:42 <TallTed> I don't fully grok the pros and cons.  A `ns` vs B `2018` (which is when the original VCWG started)
16:59:43 <manu> ivan: There might be a version in the vocabulary, but URL does not change.
17:00:10 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/10-vcwg-minutes.html ivan
17:01:14 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
17:01:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items