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15:04:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Date: 09 Jan 2024
15:04:47 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
15:04:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Meeting: Adapt Weekly Teleconference
15:05:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Welcome to 2024! Administratrivia
15:05:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Issue 240 sub-group
15:05:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Continue the concept definition discussion
15:05:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Concept #2, Our word for 'symbol': adapt-symbol?
15:05:18 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/2 -> CLOSED Pull Request 2 fixing typo (by dret)
15:05:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Concept #3, Composition or Concatenation
15:05:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/3 -> CLOSED Issue 3 Avoid human text in attributes (by michael-n-cooper) [i18n-tracker] [action required]
15:05:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Vocabulary for the WKU scope
15:05:33 <janina> date: 09 jan 2024
15:07:37 <Abhinav> present+
15:07:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
15:07:51 <matatk> present+
15:07:56 <janina> zakim, next item
15:07:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Welcome to 2024! Administratrivia -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:07:56 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:07:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/09-adapt-minutes.html matatk
15:08:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:08:32 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Welcomes all back from our year end break!
15:09:55 <janina> [We note meetings on Tuesday neatly avoid U.S. (and other Monday) hollidays!]
15:10:29 <janina> zakim, take up item 3
15:10:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Continue the concept definition discussion -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:10:39 <janina> zakim, take up item 4
15:10:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Concept #2, Our word for 'symbol': adapt-symbol? -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:10:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/2 -> CLOSED Pull Request 2 fixing typo (by dret)
15:10:56 <janina> agenda?
15:10:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:10:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/3 -> CLOSED Issue 3 Avoid human text in attributes (by michael-n-cooper) [i18n-tracker] [action required]
15:11:13 <janina> zakim, take up item 6
15:11:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Vocabulary for the WKU scope -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:11:40 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Suggests recap of where we are
15:11:53 <janina> matatk: can do
15:12:25 <janina> matatk: we have draft explainer; wku is one of several mechanisa
15:14:13 <janina> matatk: Need to get our explainer PR form
15:14:25 <janina> matatk: We also have several issue threads
15:14:47 <janina> matatk: We agreed to work on the issues where they're raised
15:15:13 <janina> matatk: Currently, we're still exploring goals, definitions, etc
15:15:32 <janina> matatk: And, we need to agree on project management
15:16:30 <janina> matatk: Vocabulary should be taken up early, need to coord with COGA and phps RQTF to make sure we're using a necessary and sufficient set of terms for destinations
15:16:54 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:16:54 <Zakim> Present: Abhinav, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger
15:16:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Abhinav, Lionel_Wolberger, janina, gb, Roy, AnthonySpencer, Github, imlostlmao, Mike5Matrix, gonzu_15, justinestrada, sdd
15:17:59 <janina> matatk: Inconsistencies need resolution as pointed out by Abhinav
15:19:01 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:19:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/09-adapt-minutes.html janina
15:19:37 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Requests links for discussion threads?
15:19:52 <matatk> Discussion threads on technical matters relating to the explainers: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/discussions
15:21:50 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: recollects 3 new explainer drafts from Matt
15:21:57 <janina> matatk: yes
15:24:45 <janina> matatk: Still working on how all the pieces fit together
15:25:03 <janina> matatk: WKU designed to send to a page, not some subsection of a page
15:25:57 <janina> matatk: The subsection may involve phps landmarks
15:28:59 <janina> Abhinav: Need to consider sequence; site-map inadequate, etc
15:36:15 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: asks Abhinav for top issues
15:37:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Beginning the discussion of vocabulary
15:38:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... let's start with the term "well known URI" itself
15:38:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... since this is a well defined term, we likely need our own label for the spec we are considering
15:38:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I propose destination
15:38:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: +1 to destination
15:39:37 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Is destination the same as what we have been calling wku?
15:39:57 <Abhinav> We can take in following order:
15:40:05 <Abhinav> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/discussions/253
15:40:11 <Abhinav> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/discussions/254
15:40:16 <Abhinav> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/discussions/252
15:40:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Here is a deprecated link to 'destination' https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-adapt-content-20220609/#destination-explanation
15:41:42 <janina> matatk: Yes, still good
15:42:11 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Similar to av
15:42:16 <janina> janina: or TOC
15:45:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I am concerned that Adapt 'Destination' and our intention with WKU are not identical
15:45:38 <janina> matatk: Notes destination names the object the link will bring up
15:46:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... adapt 'destination' is an attribute that informs the end-user of what is to be expected at the href or URL hyperlinked in a given anchor
15:46:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... WKU is a naming convention that is to be used if and only if the page found at that URL is a destination expected by that URI naming pattern (probably stipulated using the IANA well known URL standard)
15:47:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Agree that one is an attribute that you put on a link
15:47:41 <janina> matatk: Notes we would provide a mechanism that brings up objects regardless of page navigation; ask for it via the mechanism from the user agent without finding in page links
15:49:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and another is a URL that would be implemented on a given website
15:49:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Whether or not a website has implemented these well known 'destinations' would be an indicator of the site's attention to accessibility
15:50:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it's a way of getting companies to compete on getting really good at accessibility
15:50:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it is a form of complexity management, welcome in today's complex world
15:50:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/09-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
15:51:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I suggest we call the text of the URL, 'token'.
15:51:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Also note, adapt 'destination' supports parts of a page as well as entire pages
15:52:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the well known URL spec is only for an entire page
15:53:06 <janina> zakim, take up item 2
15:53:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Issue 240 sub-group -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:53:41 <janina> matatk: much progress made; might be approaching amicable solution
15:54:33 <janina> matatk: assuming we agree to use unicode, need examples of how to author content
15:55:13 <janina> matatk: It would justify the registry -- regardless of whether registry provides unicode or BCI values
15:55:47 <janina> matatk: also need to link to authoring tool
15:56:07 <janina> matatk: Offers to draft this
15:57:47 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/09-adapt-minutes.html janina
15:59:11 <janina> zakim, end meeting
15:59:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Abhinav, matatk, Lionel_Wolberger
15:59:13 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:59:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/01/09-adapt-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:20 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:15:49 <janina> rrsagent, bye
16:15:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items