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19:00:33 <jugglinmike> Zakim, start the meeting
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19:00:35 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
19:01:11 <jugglinmike> meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force Weekly Teleconference
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19:02:36 <jongund> prenset+ jongund
19:03:02 <jugglinmike> present+ jugglinmike
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19:03:40 <Jem> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/12-aria-apg-minutes.html Jem
19:03:48 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-12%2C-2023-Agenda
19:04:06 <jugglinmike> scribe+ jugglinmike
19:06:13 <jugglinmike> Topic: Setup and Review Agenda
19:06:36 <jugglinmike> Jem: Today will be the second-to-last meeting this year. The schedule is available in today's agenda
19:06:48 <jugglinmike> Topic: Status of Site Updates
19:07:02 <jugglinmike> Jem: Four pull requests were included in a release published today
19:07:39 <jugglinmike> Jem: Five more pull requests are targetted for the December 18th branch cut
19:07:52 <jugglinmike> Jem: All nine pull requests are listed in today's meeting agenda
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19:13:59 <Jem> The changed text is
19:14:20 <Jem> "This rating widget employs a slider because of the relatively large number of values on its scale; it provides a ten-point scale.
19:14:20 <Jem>           For inputs with seven or fewer choices,another pattern that could be used is radio group as demonstrated by the
19:14:20 <Jem>           <a href="../../radio/examples/radio-rating.html">Rating Radio Group Example</a>.
19:14:20 <Jem>           However, when there are more than seven choices, the radio group pattern is less friendly to keyboard and assistive technology users because it does not provide as many ways of easily navigating through choices as other input patterns, such as
19:14:20 <Jem>           <a href="../slider-pattern.html">slider</a>,
19:14:22 <Jem>           <a href="../../spinbutton/spinbutton-pattern.html">spin button</a>,
19:14:22 <Jem>           <a href="../../combobox/combobox-pattern.html">combobox</a>,
19:14:22 <Jem>           and <a href="../../listbox/listbox-pattern.html">listbox</a>."
19:18:48 <CurtBellew> present+
19:23:41 <Jem> https://deploy-preview-248--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/patterns/feed/examples/feed/
19:35:28 <jugglinmike> subtopic: PR 2775: Feed Example: Move display of example from separate page into standard APG example page by ariellalgilmore
19:35:41 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2775
19:36:16 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Ctrl+N is moving focus to the "feed delay" dropdown, which is at the top of the feed
19:36:40 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We could add some kind of focusable element inside the example at the end of the feed--right outside of the feed
19:37:12 <jugglinmike> present+ ariellagilmore
19:37:21 <Jem> present+ Jemma
19:39:17 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: Or a "fake footer" since that's the kind of content which typically follows a feed and which can be difficult to access
19:40:07 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: We can describe it very literally so that folks recognize how it fits in the example. "This is a simulated page footer" or something like that
19:40:24 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I like that. Maybe a fake "terms of use"
19:41:58 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Or a button that opens a standard browser alert
19:43:01 <jugglinmike> ariellagilmore: So this button will serve as an in-document destination for the "Ctrl+N" keyboard shortcut
19:43:47 <jugglinmike> ariellagilmore: I can add this to the pull request
19:44:49 <jugglinmike> Topic:        Tab behavior in disclosure navigation menu
19:45:10 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: In the interest of time, we'll revisit this issue in our next meeting
19:45:30 <jugglinmike> Topic: Inconsistencies in Page Up and Page Down guidance
19:45:53 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2861
19:46:13 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: This person is pointing out that many of our examples do a lot of different things with "Page up" and "page down"
19:46:27 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Those buttons behavior differently on macOS and Windows
19:46:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There are three questions here
19:48:33 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Even though this issue is generally about "page up" and "page down", I'm not sure if there's one answer here. The best way to triage may be to break it up into multiple issues
19:49:23 <jugglinmike> present+ CoryJoseph
19:50:14 <jugglinmike> CoryJoseph: I can share some feedback on the issue (though I may need a few weeks)
19:51:07 <jugglinmike> Topic: Issue 2881 - Should there be preference for using hidden attribute?
19:51:19 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2881
19:51:33 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Looking at the code for Tree Grid, we're hiding and unhiding using CSS
19:51:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: This person is asking, "wouldn't the code be more clear if it used the 'hidden' attribute instead?"
19:52:00 <jugglinmike> present+ jongund
19:52:14 <jugglinmike> jongund: I don't think it makes a difference; just a different coding style
19:54:04 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: Using the "hidden" HTML attribute is less ambiguous, and I would prefer it, but I think a CSS class name like "hidden" is relatively descriptive
19:54:11 <jugglinmike> CoryJoseph: I feel the same
19:54:28 <jugglinmike> Topic: Issue 2864 - High contrast support practices
19:54:35 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2864
19:55:13 <jugglinmike> jongund: We have a lot of examples which are just using the current color value. As a result, we're kind of relying on the background color being managed by the page
19:55:55 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: As for the approach, we could just start changing individual patterns one-by-one
19:56:21 <jugglinmike> s/start/start randomly/
19:56:23 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Or we could create a project to track the work across the site
19:56:46 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It might also touch on the idea we've discussed about a code quality report
19:58:19 <jugglinmike> Jem: It sounds like support for CSS4 has improved since we last considered forced colors. Do you know anything about this, jongund?
19:58:33 <jugglinmike> jongund: I tried using it, and it seems to be better-supported, now
19:59:52 <jugglinmike> ariellagilmore: We use media queries in Carbon, though I don't think we've used forced colors, yet
20:00:25 <jugglinmike> jongund: I think a new practice would be a good place to collect the ways people successfully use the technology
20:00:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Something like this could fit into a practice
20:01:26 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: jongund, do you want me to set up a pull request for a new "practices" page about high contrast?
20:01:32 <jugglinmike> jongund: Yeah, that would be helpful
20:01:47 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Is this something that you could test for in the code quality report?
20:02:02 <jugglinmike> jongund: Yeah, we could check for the presence of the media query
20:02:25 <jugglinmike> jongund: At this point, we could just look at the the examples which are using "current-color". Those would be the high-priority one
20:02:31 <jugglinmike> s/one/ones/
20:03:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Okay, I'll start a pull request for a "high-contrast support" practice. And jongund, you can start a pull request for the code quality report
20:05:46 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
20:05:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jugglinmike, CurtBellew, ariellagilmore, Jemma, CoryJoseph, jongund
20:05:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
20:05:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/12-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
20:05:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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20:06:15 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, leave
20:06:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items