14:21:06 RRSAgent has joined #coga 14:21:10 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-coga-irc 14:21:17 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:21:19 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:21:19 scribe+ EA 14:22:15 agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc 14:22:22 agenda? 14:22:44 clear agenda 14:22:49 agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc 14:23:22 agenda+ reaserch litary review. see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268 14:25:22 agenda+ Holidays coming up and and scheduling research working meeting 14:25:44 agenda+ Github issues with Eric 14:34:39 roy__ has joined #coga 15:42:52 Lisa has joined #coga 15:43:17 agenda? 15:43:33 RRSAgent, publish minutes 15:43:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-coga-minutes.html Lisa 15:54:38 scribe:EA 15:54:55 EA has joined #coga 15:55:15 Present + 15:55:51 scribe:EA 15:59:16 julierawe has joined #coga 15:59:48 Eric_hind has joined #coga 15:59:53 present+ 15:59:56 present+ 16:00:59 next item 16:01:06 RRSAgent, publish minutes 16:01:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-coga-minutes.html Lisa 16:01:43 tburtin has joined #coga 16:01:43 present+ 16:01:43 Jennie has joined #coga 16:01:43 Albert has joined #coga 16:01:43 present+ 16:01:43 Research updates - Becca is putting in changes - 16:01:58 Rain has joined #coga 16:02:26 present+ 16:02:26 Mental Health - Issue papers - Rashmi has been working on making the proposals in a more digestible form. Lisa has an issue paper and is hoping David will help 16:02:27 Becca_Monteleone has joined #coga 16:02:33 present+ 16:03:27 Rain update on structure - cancelled last week - now blocked off two working session - available on IRC and happy to work through community group comments. Will add the times 16:04:03 Working session 1 will be December 18 10-11am ET 16:04:05 Rain will also send out an email to everyone - then open feedback on week 18th Dec. Working session 1 Dec 18th and 10-11 EST 16:04:19 Number 2 will be December 20 (Wednesday) 9:30-11 ET 16:04:22 Second session Dec 20th 9.30-11EST 16:04:30 Will use Coga channel. 16:04:50 Lisa asked if a reminder could be sent out and what is happening etc. 16:04:54 present+ 16:05:17 Images and WCAG 3 at normal time this Thurs and Mental Health as well. 16:05:53 Rain will consolidate image and structure as one group. Need to happen together at the moment then split of once structure determined 16:06:55 Julie WCAG 3 and internationalisation - one more conversation with the internationalisation group - feel that there are plan to do what is required but next Thursday discuss the questions in sub group meeting at 11EST 16:07:04 DavidSwallow has joined #coga 16:07:47 Julie WCAG 3 interesting debate about whether to take WCAG 2.2 and make it in the styling of WCAG 3 but won't happen till 2024 - how to transition - meeting on Jan 9th AG 16:08:03 https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/34 16:08:08 q? 16:08:10 Jan 16th conformance model discussion - link above 16:08:38 How will the conformance work - what WCAG 3 will look like 16:09:38 Lisa thinks there will be a few of these discussions can become very important as it can lay down the criteria as what will conform... so may limit things to what is usable and only these things will be included. 16:09:58 From that github ticket: When we look across conformance models, it will help to have a set of criteria to use to evaluate and compare the variations. The proposed criteria from the 2011 WAI Symposium on Accessibility Metrics are: Validity - does the overall score reflect the accessibility of the product? Reliability - is the overall score reproducible and consistent? This is often noted in meetings as "repeatability" Sensitivity - does a c[CUT] 16:10:26 Sensitivity - does a change in the score reflect the change in the accessibility? Adequacy - does a small change at the guideline level in accessibility create a small scoring change? Complexity - does it take a reasonable amount of time to test? Additional proposed criteria from AGWG discussion: Equity - Does the approach support equity across disability categories? Comprehension - Is the proposed conformance model easy to understand? What [CUT] 16:10:47 This maybe a problem with what is put into the conformance... what is necessary for the kind of conformance... must be careful to ensure coga is not left out 16:11:05 Q? 16:12:14 Julie added Rachaels notes and she said that it will be important to make sure items are not missed. 16:12:31 https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/34 16:12:39 Lisa asked for volunteers to look at issue 34 - link above 16:12:52 Thinking about coga needs and what might need to be changed 16:13:31 Julie asked if more detailed information will go out in January - this means that the volunteering is needed in early January. 16:13:52 Lisa will look at it all with Julie but need reminders. 16:15:12 David Swallow update on user tools and collaborative tools - issues closed by RT2F? 16:16:06 David has collated feedback which will happen on 18th Dec. Also asked about their research process - shared with coga sometime ago and will share it with David. 16:16:32 Lisa asked if the requests from coga were acted on 16:16:38 next item 16:17:01 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268 16:17:26 Literary review update - user research documents - old and needs updating. 16:17:41 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268 16:17:53 Lisa started collecting documents and adding them to the database - link above. 16:18:52 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.tzwiganz83f7 16:18:53 Several people have added some updates - week to think about it. Asked if people want to add to research they know about and volunteer to do the research. 16:19:23 Add useful terms to the docs. 16:19:28 q+ 16:19:44 q+ 16:19:54 ack next 16:20:28 Eris asked if all the sources have to be open 16:20:48 Lisa said if closed data need to agree how to reference 16:21:15 Paper behind paywall - put reference in the database and someone else can get access to the paper and do a summary 16:21:47 q+ 16:21:47 If the paper is not published - the step project can put it in github or we can have a place holder when it will be published 16:23:04 If it is internal research then write a summary to the list but provide limiting factors to show quality of the research. Anecdotal still useful but need to know context 16:23:08 ack next 16:23:32 Jennie volunteered to do one per month Jan, Feb and March - 16:24:37 ack Jennie 16:24:48 next item 16:29:22 Lisa was thinking of a working meeting to start on research papers together - several holidays across the USA and Europe. Possibly 18th dec and then 15th Jan 2024 have a research paper time... 16:29:24 Q? 16:30:42 q+ 16:30:43 Q? 16:31:03 ack Jennie 16:31:04 Jennie it would be good to have an overview on 15th Dec with links 16:31:36 Julie would also like a short review on 15th Dec. 16:32:03 Tiffany grateful for extra time and checking dates. 16:32:27 Albert +1 to short review and can join on 18th Jan 16:32:44 Becca also likes the short review 16:33:05 Tiffany away on 18th Jan 16:33:59 Planning holidays - no meeting 25th December /1st Jan 2024 - start again on 8th Jan 2024 16:34:01 +1 16:34:04 +1 16:34:05 +1 16:34:07 +1 16:34:08 +1 16:34:34 next item 16:34:35 18th December - working meeting for research document review. 16:34:46 https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues?q=+label%3A%22review+for+next+version%22+ 16:37:05 https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues/310 16:37:15 Eric shared screen - 3.10 language issues - Julie and internationalisation work 16:39:11 Julie wanted to be sure that she and Lisa can look at this issue on github. Lisa will tag Julie 16:39:39 present+ 16:40:22 There is another issue related to the need to add a new persona with different cultures having different needs 16:41:00 Examples needed for non-native language speakers 16:42:04 q? 16:43:32 Lisa felt the issues were very broad - from spacing and text appearance as well as plain language in other languages. 16:44:56 topic: how to do a litary paper review 16:46:36 Lisa shared her screen and showed all the online docs about the scope, search terms and criteria and then doing the search and finally putting it in the appendix and then the spreadsheet 16:53:44 * EA - Correction may be needed re date of Martin Luther King holiday in US (and therefore working session): January 15 16:53:59 oops thank you 16:59:11 Apologies Martin Luther day 15th Jan so that is the working meeting day rather than a coga meeting 17:00:50 Q? 17:01:48 q? 17:02:01 RRSAgent, publish minutes 17:02:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/12/11-coga-minutes.html Lisa 17:02:58 jamesn has joined #COGA 17:04:29 * Apologies - have to drop.