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20:16:52 <jj> meeting: MATF Monday 4 December 2023
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20:17:39 <jj> TOPIC: ACT Rules
20:18:12 <jj> Talking about the Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) rules for mobile
20:18:21 <jj> Some are generic, others are HTML/web specific
20:18:52 <jj> TOPIC: WCAG 2.2 mobile mapping
20:20:26 <jj> Discuss columns Applicable to mobile Web and Applicable to mobile Native, vote as task force perhaps to get an agreement?
20:22:27 <jj> Two documents: "WCAG 2.2 SC that Apply to Pure Native Mobile" and "- How WCAG 2.2 Relates to Mobile and What's Missing" - how do they differ?
20:23:04 <jj> Maybe we should merge these into one document?
20:23:44 <jj> Copy notes from 1st doc to 2nd doc at right place
20:25:40 <jj> https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/ vs https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/
20:31:47 <jj> TOPIC: How to name "app accessibility"
20:37:05 <jj> Mick: Web mobile, native Android, native iOS, Native Mobile, differentiate between hybrid/cross-platform?
20:37:18 <jj> Mobile App Accessibility?
20:38:02 <jj> App can be downloaded from the App Store / Google Play
20:40:46 <jj> App Accessibility Task Force? AATF
20:41:01 <jj> Native Mobile Accessibility Task Force NMATF
20:41:11 <jj> Mobile App Task Force (MATF)
20:41:45 <Mick> Mobile App Accessibility Task Force (MAATF)
20:44:39 <jj> Mobile app = Android/iOS? What about wearOS / watchOS? and iPadOS? etc.
20:44:58 <jj> Watch is also a mobile device
20:46:28 <jj> TOPIC: WebView / web content in apps
20:46:38 <jj> How do we deal with web views and web content inside apps?
20:46:57 <jj> Judge WEB content using default WCAG guidance?
20:48:09 <jj> What should happen with font size inside WebView? E.g. native app uses 200% font size, then the WebView should also use this scale?
20:49:37 <jj> Guidance on WebView's can help, maybe there are some exceptions or best-practices we can write about
20:50:09 <jj> TOPIC: Mapping
20:50:15 <jj> Mick: Native Android, native iOS, hybrid, cross-platform, all separately mapped? Or one version?
20:50:51 <jj> JJ: Take existing guidance from Apple/Google into account: Human Interface Guidelines & Core app quality
20:51:11 <jj> Focus on native android/ios first, then see how to fit hybrid/cross-platform/etc.?
20:51:38 <jj> Focus on platform behavior, not on framework/programming language
20:52:04 <jj> Platform expectations
20:52:39 <jj> Take existing platform accessibility requirements and consider them in the mapping
20:53:35 <jj> Touch-target size = 48x48 on Android, 44x44 on iOS, WCAG 2.2 has 24x24 at level AA, WCAG AAA has 48x48
20:54:14 <jj> Material Design also has accessibility: https://m3.material.io/foundations/accessible-design/overview
20:55:30 <jj> Core app quality: https://developer.android.com/docs/quality-guidelines/core-app-quality
20:55:50 <jj> Human Interface Guidelines: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/designing-for-ios
20:59:24 <jj> Check which requirements relate to accessibility / WCAG requirements and add those as requirement if different from WCAG
21:05:02 <jj> zakim, list participants
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21:05:47 <jj> rrsagent, bye
21:05:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items