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14:46:14 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:46:18 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:46:26 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20231130T150000/
14:46:26 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:46:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:46:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:46:28 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:46:30 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:46:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
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14:46:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Working with Time and Timezones
14:46:38 <agendabot> agenda+ Localizable Manifests
14:46:39 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:47:32 <addison> agenda+ Needs Attention issues for WG review
14:51:25 <addison> present+ Addison
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14:56:52 <addison> present+ Atsushi
14:59:09 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
15:01:26 <addison> present+ Richard
15:01:40 <atsushi> acribe+
15:02:40 <addison> present+ Bert
15:03:07 <addison> scribe+ atsushi
15:03:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:31 <addison> agenda?
15:04:00 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:08 <gb> Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #58, #57, #56, #53, #47, #43, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #5, #4
15:04:11 <addison> #58
15:04:11 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58 -> Action 58  revise localizable-manifests in light of tpac conversation and new explainer (on aphillips) due 2023-11-09
15:04:32 <atsushi> addison: agenda item for today, working on
15:04:44 <addison> close #58
15:04:46 <addison> #57\
15:04:46 <gb> Closed -> action #58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58
15:04:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57 -> Action 57  add localizable content definition to the glossary (on xfq) due 2023-11-09
15:05:07 <atsushi> xfq: raised a PR for this, PR is still open
15:05:12 <atsushi> addison: let's review today
15:05:14 <addison> agenda+ review localizable content PR
15:05:20 <addison> close #57
15:05:22 <gb> Closed -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57
15:05:24 <addison> #56
15:05:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56 -> Action 56 check on permissions with w3ctag and follow up with plh on looking for notifications (on xfq) due 2023-11-02
15:05:37 <addison> close #56
15:05:39 <gb> Closed -> action #56 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56
15:05:40 <addison> #53
15:05:40 <atsushi> xfq: done for permission at w3ctag
15:05:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 -> Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01
15:05:46 <addison> #47
15:05:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/47 -> Action 47 make the CSSWG aware of Warichu (on frivoal) due 2023-10-04
15:05:56 <addison> #43
15:05:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43  pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
15:06:03 <atsushi> addison: 53 and 47 is CSS
15:06:14 <addison> #35
15:06:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 -> Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30
15:06:16 <atsushi> addison: started on 43 but still working, pending
15:06:19 <addison> #33
15:06:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:06:37 <atsushi> addison: 33, keep working on closing ones marked as close?
15:06:46 <atsushi> ... added as agenda item
15:06:56 <addison> #18
15:06:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18 -> Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal, fantasai)
15:07:02 <addison> #16
15:07:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips)
15:07:09 <addison> #12
15:07:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips)
15:07:34 <addison> #11
15:07:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 -> Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal)
15:07:38 <atsushi> addison: 12, working, finish up with cleaning things, keeping alive for a while
15:07:41 <addison> #8
15:07:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on aphillips)
15:07:53 <addison> #7
15:07:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github)
15:08:10 <addison> #5
15:08:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5 -> Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on r12a)
15:08:24 <addison> #4
15:08:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a)
15:08:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:08:58 <addison> https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-coga-minutes.html
15:09:03 <atsushi> addison: had call yesterday with COGA colleages, minutes above
15:09:17 <atsushi> ... reasonable start with them
15:10:16 <atsushi> r12a: got with them on interesting action items, seeking for another opportunity incl. finding experts for input to there
15:10:45 <addison> action: addision: follow up with julie rowe on next steps with coga such as a work plan
15:10:52 <gb> Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe addision is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions?
15:11:11 <addison> action: addison: follow up with julie rowe on next steps with coga such as a work plan
15:11:13 <gb> Created -> action #59 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/59
15:11:42 <r12a> https://w3c.social/@webi18n/111489082413507311
15:11:45 <atsushi> s/action: addision: follow up with julie rowe on next steps with coga such as a work plan//
15:12:04 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:12:16 <atsushi> r12a: post on mastdon above, on supporting fonts
15:13:38 <atsushi> [r12a described about images and backgrounds]
15:13:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:13:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:13:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:13:56 <atsushi> addison: nothing here
15:14:26 <addison> agenda?
15:14:27 <atsushi> ... some in awaiting comment resolution could be marked as completed...
15:14:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- review localizable content PR -- taken up [from addison]
15:14:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/57
15:15:02 <atsushi> xfq: PR above
15:15:13 <atsushi> xfq: added localizable content entry to glossary
15:15:24 <xfq> https://deploy-preview-57--i18n-glossary.netlify.app/#dfn-localizable-content
15:15:42 <atsushi> xfq: definition is adopted from localizable text
15:16:15 <atsushi> ... didnot merged two entries, since both are used for different envoirnment
15:17:07 <atsushi> r12a: second 'contents' should be single form?
15:18:46 <atsushi> addison: depending on what 'document' is
15:19:00 <atsushi> addison: localizable text could be string content or text content
15:19:29 <atsushi> xfq: will update text around document
15:20:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:20:05 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Working with Time and Timezones -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:20:24 <addison> https://www.w3.org/TR/timezone
15:20:33 <atsushi> addison: have a WG note, long standing one on timezone
15:20:33 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/timezone/
15:20:49 <atsushi> addison: working for revision on this note
15:21:40 <atsushi> addison: couple of things wanted to do, publish WG draft over WG note, for getting comments
15:21:55 <atsushi> addison: super happy to get feedback on this document
15:22:16 <atsushi> [silent for comment]
15:23:46 <atsushi> r12a: is there any used styling in 2.4?
15:24:00 <atsushi> addison: historical. just glossary one
15:24:07 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-time/index.en.html
15:25:49 <atsushi> addison: we will want to go through this article
15:26:22 <atsushi> r12a: don't want to change, but perform checking
15:27:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:27:22 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Localizable Manifests -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:27:31 <addison> https://deploy-preview-16--localizable-manifests.netlify.app/
15:27:39 <r12a> agenda+ Using GH Discussions
15:27:46 <atsushi> addison: deploy preview as above
15:28:00 <atsushi> ... some material should go to another document, but not yet
15:28:26 <atsushi> addison: both miniapp and manifest are active, and we need to update /TR/ one
15:28:47 <atsushi> ... number of addition as 2.1
15:29:21 <atsushi> ... section 3 is new, indicating language and direction
15:30:16 <atsushi> addison: some part could live in string-meta, but need to be in specific document alos
15:32:33 <atsushi> xfq: some text are mentioned as in string-meta, but @@@@
15:32:59 <atsushi> addison: merge this and publish to /TR/?
15:33:27 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/pull/16#discussion_r1395147047
15:33:29 <atsushi> xfq: +1 to merge
15:33:38 <atsushi> ... added a PR for definitions
15:33:54 <atsushi> addison: all in glossary one
15:34:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:34:28 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Needs Attention issues for WG review -- taken up [from addison]
15:34:58 <r12a> agenda?
15:35:28 <addison> i18n-activity#1763
15:35:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1763 -> Issue 1763 Make computation of directionality account for Shadow DOM. (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:html] [needs-attention] [i:bidi-text] [alreq] [hlreq] [t:bidi_markup]
15:35:58 <atsushi> addison: issues marked as close? but asking for review around
15:37:00 <atsushi> addison: 1763, has middle sized thread with implementation issues
15:37:13 <atsushi> r12a: to consult with fantasi?
15:37:34 <addison> i18n-activity#1361
15:37:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1361 -> Issue 1361 input-purpose `language` should reference BCP47 (by w3cbot) [close?] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [s:adapt] [t:lang_values]
15:37:37 <xfq> s/fantasi/fantasai/
15:38:10 <atsushi> addison: older issue related to CR or something
15:38:38 <atsushi> ... question is whether something needs to be performed?
15:39:23 <atsushi> addison: associated to long thread in html #6519
15:39:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/6519 -> Issue 6519 [not found]
15:39:36 <addison> html#6519
15:39:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/6519 -> Issue 6519 [not found]
15:39:48 <addison> whatwg/html#6519
15:39:49 <gb> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/6519 -> Issue 6519 4.10.18.7 Autofill & the language value (by johnfoliot) [i18n-tracker]
15:39:51 <atsushi> whatwg/html#6519
15:40:10 <atsushi> s|whatwg/html#6519||
15:40:13 <atsushi> s|whatwg/html#6519||
15:40:18 <atsushi> s|html#6519||
15:40:29 <atsushi> s|html #6519|whatwg/html#6519|
15:40:38 <addison> i18n-activity#1006
15:40:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1006 -> Issue 1006 Informal spellings in specifications (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [needs-attention]
15:41:01 <atsushi> addison: 1006, CSS general purpose one in spellings
15:41:20 <atsushi> ... just to look into from translations point of view
15:41:37 <atsushi> xfq: will take this
15:41:48 <atsushi> ... English usage in CSS specs
15:41:54 <r12a>     RESOLVED: We consider informal spellings to be typos to be fixed when found and avoided if possible
15:41:55 <atsushi> addison: or maybe more general usage
15:42:18 <atsushi> r12a: this is CSS resolution, but not of us
15:42:34 <atsushi> ... sounds good to me
15:43:03 <addison> i18n-activity#404
15:43:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/404 -> Issue 404 Should generalYear (etc.) be gregorianYear (etc.)? (by aphillips) [close?] [s:owl-time] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:loc_time]
15:43:44 <atsushi> addison: 404 is old one, on naming
15:44:05 <atsushi> ... if they use general, many other calendars exist
15:44:40 <atsushi> ... it seems they did not consider my comment
15:44:40 <addison> sdw#888
15:44:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues/888 -> CLOSED Issue 888 should generalYear (etc) be gregorianYear (etc)? (by aphillips) [i18n-needs-resolution] [time]
15:47:08 <r12a> +1 to close from me
15:47:46 <atsushi> +1 to close, looking at spec text...
15:48:24 <atsushi> xfq: from the last comment, it seems they support only gregorian, but not others
15:48:34 <atsushi> addison: they tended to support others, but not included yet
15:49:38 <atsushi> xfq: spec text says, not limited to number used for gregorian
15:49:46 <xfq> +1 to close
15:51:31 <atsushi> addison: moving on?
15:51:36 <addison> i18n-activity#370
15:51:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/370 -> Issue 370 Standardized way to add indications of text direction (by r12a) [close?] [s:shacl] [needs-attention] [needs-resolution] [t:lang_declaration]
15:52:08 <atsushi> addison: this is about standalization of text direction in data-shapes
15:52:21 <atsushi> ... quite old as 2017
15:53:06 <addison> close i18n-activity#370
15:53:08 <gb> Cannot close issue #370. Forbidden.
15:53:13 <atsushi> r12a: I think we've discussed with them whether this is ok or not
15:53:34 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2023OctDec/0075.html
15:53:48 <atsushi> addison: item in above email, comment in next call
15:54:13 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:54:13 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:54:24 <r12a> agenda?
15:54:57 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:54:57 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Using GH Discussions -- taken up [from r12a]
15:54:57 <atsushi> r12a: kida-san is interested in Discussions feature
15:55:04 <atsushi> ... discussions in thread, could be interested for us also
15:55:15 <atsushi> ... can have comments, and comments to a comment
15:56:30 <atsushi> ... could be useful for jlreq-d discussions
15:56:30 <atsushi> ... one issue is notification, and xfq and I are talking with Dom for notification email
15:56:30 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions
15:56:57 <atsushi> addison: in message format group, we are using issue and discussion, also
15:57:20 <atsushi> ... had some success in past, but tend not to use recently
15:57:54 <atsushi> r12a: having some wiki pages, but cannot have comments there
15:59:04 <atsushi> xfq: will talk with Dom
15:59:09 <addison> action: xfq: follow up with dom about github discussion notifications
15:59:10 <gb> Created -> action #60 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/60
15:59:28 <atsushi> r12a: any info for upward arrow?
15:59:49 <atsushi> xfq: there are also thumb-up button etc.
16:00:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq-d/discussions
16:01:12 <atsushi> addison: will be shown as order with clicking 'top'
16:03:21 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/30-i18n-minutes.html xfq
16:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/30-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:03:34 <addison> zakim, bye
16:03:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Richard, Bert, JcK
16:03:34 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/30-i18n-minutes.html addison