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13:17:43 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
13:18:10 <jasonjgw> meeting: RQTF meeting
13:18:20 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:18:24 <jasonjgw> present+
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13:19:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
13:19:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements.
13:19:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:19:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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14:03:19 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:03:56 <scott_h> jason: David Swallow updating issues on GitHub
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14:05:13 <scott_h> janina: walkthrough now?
14:05:30 <scott_h> jasON; good to work out which ones take time, which ones quick
14:06:12 <scott_h> david: COTGA now waiting for our feedback
14:06:25 <scott_h> some need clarification
14:09:09 <scott_h> david: COGA's issues with GitHub:
14:09:20 <scott_h> complexity, jargon, too many notifcaiotns, subject lines not being clear
14:10:14 <scott_h> janina: helpful to separate git form github to understand issues
14:11:03 <scott_h> jason: some ready to make decisons?
14:11:37 <scott_h> daivd: issue 59
14:12:03 <scott_h> new user need and requirement, placement unusual
14:13:18 <scott_h> user need: interface needs to be clear and easy to understand
14:13:32 <scott_h> inteface needs tob e familiar
14:13:57 <scott_h> requriement: help users understand what things are and use things similar to common design pattersn
14:14:33 <scott_h> jason: not specific to issues in the doucment,
14:15:30 <scott_h> not clear in context of document could we frame a requriements to follow conventions, or are range of applicaiotns oto diverse?
14:16:28 <scott_h> janina: concepts are in the doucment, just not specific design pattern terminolgoy
14:16:55 <scott_h> jason: and if places to flesh out, could be done
14:18:20 <scott_h> raja: seems a bit general, how is it applied generally throughout the documents?
14:18:41 <scott_h> janina: issue is that all softwre, whether web based on app, needs a new interface and this is problematic
14:18:57 <scott_h> so common patters are a benefit
14:19:41 <scott_h> point is made hat different types of apps have different interfaces
14:20:59 <scott_h> jason: in collaborative, some features concistent but interfaces may ned to be different
14:21:47 <scott_h> action - janina to flesh out, jason to support
14:22:35 <scott_h> david: lisa requested separate seciton
14:23:35 <scott_h> janina: further explanaiton good, not needing separate section
14:23:52 <scott_h> content usable - what and hwere woudl be useful
14:24:30 <scott_h> jason: commen may also be pointng to older draft
14:25:43 <scott_h> issue 58: clarify WYSIWYG
14:26:14 <scott_h> david: text references WYSIWYG, suggest graphica text interface
14:26:28 <scott_h> janina: sugget reject, WSIWYG common term
14:28:21 <scott_h> scott: the acronymn is defined
14:28:21 <scott_h> raja: does current generation understand?
14:28:21 <scott_h> jason: mark as no change
14:28:52 <scott_h> janina: using old term better than creaitng new one
14:29:08 <scott_h> action - janina to comment and cloe, no change
14:30:35 <scott_h> issue 57:
14:31:57 <scott_h> and 56
14:32:13 <scott_h> issue 56: update specificaiton with new technologies
14:32:43 <scott_h> quesiotn is do we need ot specifically naem all the colaborative tools in Microsoft, google etc
14:33:20 <scott_h> janina; hesitant to name specific products
14:34:08 <scott_h> raja: can we proivde best of both words -  miro and google meet. miro is interactive whiteboad
14:35:06 <scott_h> miro dos't have captions, google met does
14:35:29 <scott_h> and can let peple know you can combine different tools
14:36:24 <scott_h> jason: RTC is not in the scope of htis document as alrady in the RAUR
14:36:46 <scott_h> may not meniton that specifically though
14:37:14 <scott_h> janina: whiteboard may need to be included though
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14:38:38 <scott_h> should get a meniton and exmaple
14:40:19 <scott_h> scott: references to microsoft and google tools is already there which is good but covered enough,
14:40:30 <scott_h> but agree whiteboard good t cover
14:41:10 <scott_h> janina: yes add more on whiteboarding
14:42:24 <scott_h> janina: separately, need ot have a seciton to make sure everyone is included when decisions are bien gmade, eveyrone included
14:42:39 <scott_h> comments on sociology - not just a tehcnical porblem
14:43:47 <scott_h> jason: exmaple when too many notificaiotns are ocming in
14:44:27 <scott_h> help documentaiton and support
14:45:04 <scott_h> raja: when people work together, breakouts, challenge as a Deaf person with delays need to be addressed, but how to comibne tools together ot make the experience accessible is impotant
14:47:51 <scott_h> issue 45 asked to clarify on what is an isn't out of scope, but no more detail
14:48:49 <scott_h> action - issue 56, add whiteboard info as collaboration aspect
14:51:29 <scott_h> action - issue 57, focused on desig patterns aand accessibility e..g word processor, do not need to reference list of products - tools of all types can take what they need form the docuent, brief exmaples already included. Review to be done to check this is explained adequately
14:53:22 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:53:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Media Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:54:16 <scott_h> janina: limited time to progress
14:56:18 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:56:18 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:56:51 <scott_h> jason: with APA, talking to security community in W3C
14:58:45 <scott_h> bring back in two weeks
14:59:33 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:59:33 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
15:00:35 <jasonjgw> zakim, end meeting
15:00:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina
15:00:36 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/29-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim
15:00:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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