IRC log of rqtf on 2023-11-29

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw
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meeting: RQTF meeting
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chair: jasonjgw
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agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Accessibility of CAPTCHA.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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jason: David Swallow updating issues on GitHub
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janina: walkthrough now?
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jasON; good to work out which ones take time, which ones quick
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david: COTGA now waiting for our feedback
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some need clarification
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david: COGA's issues with GitHub:
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complexity, jargon, too many notifcaiotns, subject lines not being clear
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janina: helpful to separate git form github to understand issues
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jason: some ready to make decisons?
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daivd: issue 59
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new user need and requirement, placement unusual
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user need: interface needs to be clear and easy to understand
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inteface needs tob e familiar
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requriement: help users understand what things are and use things similar to common design pattersn
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jason: not specific to issues in the doucment,
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not clear in context of document could we frame a requriements to follow conventions, or are range of applicaiotns oto diverse?
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janina: concepts are in the doucment, just not specific design pattern terminolgoy
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jason: and if places to flesh out, could be done
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raja: seems a bit general, how is it applied generally throughout the documents?
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janina: issue is that all softwre, whether web based on app, needs a new interface and this is problematic
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so common patters are a benefit
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point is made hat different types of apps have different interfaces
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jason: in collaborative, some features concistent but interfaces may ned to be different
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action - janina to flesh out, jason to support
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david: lisa requested separate seciton
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janina: further explanaiton good, not needing separate section
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content usable - what and hwere woudl be useful
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jason: commen may also be pointng to older draft
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issue 58: clarify WYSIWYG
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david: text references WYSIWYG, suggest graphica text interface
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janina: sugget reject, WSIWYG common term
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scott: the acronymn is defined
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raja: does current generation understand?
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jason: mark as no change
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janina: using old term better than creaitng new one
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action - janina to comment and cloe, no change
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issue 57:
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and 56
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issue 56: update specificaiton with new technologies
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quesiotn is do we need ot specifically naem all the colaborative tools in Microsoft, google etc
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janina; hesitant to name specific products
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raja: can we proivde best of both words - miro and google meet. miro is interactive whiteboad
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miro dos't have captions, google met does
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and can let peple know you can combine different tools
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jason: RTC is not in the scope of htis document as alrady in the RAUR
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may not meniton that specifically though
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janina: whiteboard may need to be included though
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should get a meniton and exmaple
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scott: references to microsoft and google tools is already there which is good but covered enough,
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but agree whiteboard good t cover
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janina: yes add more on whiteboarding
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janina: separately, need ot have a seciton to make sure everyone is included when decisions are bien gmade, eveyrone included
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comments on sociology - not just a tehcnical porblem
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jason: exmaple when too many notificaiotns are ocming in
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help documentaiton and support
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raja: when people work together, breakouts, challenge as a Deaf person with delays need to be addressed, but how to comibne tools together ot make the experience accessible is impotant
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issue 45 asked to clarify on what is an isn't out of scope, but no more detail
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action - issue 56, add whiteboard info as collaboration aspect
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action - issue 57, focused on desig patterns aand accessibility e..g word processor, do not need to reference list of products - tools of all types can take what they need form the docuent, brief exmaples already included. Review to be done to check this is explained adequately
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Media Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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janina: limited time to progress
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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jason: with APA, talking to security community in W3C
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bring back in two weeks
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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