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19:57:55 <jugglinmike> Zakim, start the meeting
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19:57:56 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike
19:58:14 <jugglinmike> MEETING: Bi-Weekly Meeting of Assistive Technology Automation Subgroup of ARIA-AT Community Group
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20:09:33 <Sam_Shaw> present+ James Scholes
20:09:35 <Sam_Shaw> present+
20:09:50 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Michael Fairchild
20:10:11 <Sam_Shaw> present+ Mike Pennisi
20:13:30 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: update on status of automation UI in ARIA-AT App
20:13:51 <jugglinmike> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at-app/issues/732#issuecomment-1789430545
20:14:49 <Sam_Shaw> That link is to the conversation we've had to design the interface for the automated response collection in ARIA-AT App
20:16:20 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: My most recent comment describes what we have planned for the MVP of the ARIA AT App
20:16:33 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: The flow begins with adding a test plan to the test queue
20:17:04 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: You can assign a tester or not. If you assign a tester, it will also assign a bot user
20:17:33 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: This MVP is only supporting NVDA and Windows
20:18:34 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: As previously discussed, the bot will not assign verdicts
20:19:29 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: The status of the collection of tests will be formatted as follows "Responses for x of y tests recorded. Verdicts for x of y assertions assigned."
20:20:32 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: We need to consider in the future when it will be appropriate to disclose when humans are editing test results, and when bots begin to
20:21:03 <Sam_Shaw> JS: I think once results are published, it will be important disclose this change
20:22:14 <Sam_Shaw> JS: Currently we don't disclose who performed each test to the public
20:24:48 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Test admins can mark test plan runs as finished
20:25:05 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Everyone is invited to review our conversation and how we got here
20:25:23 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: The good new is we've made progress on this and have been implementing as its materialized
20:25:42 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: We are close to deploying to the sandbox server
20:26:11 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: We maintain 3 publicly available versions of the app, Production, Staging, and Sandbox
20:26:58 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: I think that's everything I wanted to cover for this agenda item. Feel free to email me any questions
20:27:19 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: Collaborating on the NVDA add-on
20:27:41 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: In implementing the automation MVP, Corey at Bocoup has identified a few issues with the NVDA add-on.
20:27:48 <Sam_Shaw> https://github.com/Prime-Access-Consulting/nvda-at-automation/issues/created_by/gnarf
20:27:58 <Sam_Shaw> They are reported in the repo linked above
20:28:31 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: We at Bocoup are not skilled in Go and are not familiar with the overall architecture
20:28:55 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: This division of responsibility has worked fine for us
20:29:07 <Sam_Shaw> PAC has been maintaining this repo
20:29:33 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Issue #46 is a pressing issue up and down presskey events don't seem to be working #46
20:29:44 <Sam_Shaw> JS: I agree I've been thinking about this
20:30:23 <Sam_Shaw> JS: Down is not a key it recognizes. I didn't write the translation code, but I'm hoping it will be straightforward
20:30:38 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Great, we do want to be collaborative, and Corey is willing to take a shot at it
20:31:11 <Sam_Shaw> JS: To be realistic, you have surpassed us to verify a fix. The project really needs a test suite that isn't implementation specific. We welcome any input
20:31:35 <Sam_Shaw> JS: We are working to assign a resource to these issues, we are always happy to review a PR
20:32:08 <Sam_Shaw> JS: If you ever have any issues that have been filed and not acknowledged, especially blocking ones, please feel free to ping me
20:32:15 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Thank you
20:32:55 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: The only thing for me, is a project manger thing, to coordinate and not step on each others toes.
20:33:33 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: Corey will look at this after he reviews a few items for the aria at app. He will be vocal once he begins to make sure everyone on the project knows what each other are doing
20:33:38 <Sam_Shaw> jugglinmike: I think thats it for this meeting
20:34:26 <Sam_Shaw> rrsagent, make minutes
20:34:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/20-aria-at-minutes.html Sam_Shaw
20:34:49 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike has changed the topic to: 
20:36:56 <jugglinmike> Zakim, leave
20:36:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been James, Scholes, Sam_Shaw, Michael, Fairchild, Mike, Pennisi
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20:37:00 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, leave
20:37:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items