IRC log of coga on 2023-11-13
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/13-coga-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
- 11:47:55 [lisa]
- regrets+ EA, julie
- 11:48:01 [lisa]
- agenda?
- 11:48:09 [lisa]
- clear agenda
- 11:48:26 [lisa]
- agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
- 11:48:50 [lisa]
- AG update including o Recharter of AG AND.. Permissions to github via their profile
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- agenda+ AG update including o Recharter of AG AND.. Permissions to github via their profile
- 11:49:50 [lisa]
- agenda+ github issues at: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/
- 11:50:31 [lisa]
- agenda+ Abbys review of user reaserch at: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ Cautar
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- agenda+ (if time) New versions of issue papers (by Becca) on wayfinding (see https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1TDtuC_iMyS_X6nXwyEEAu4Abp2tXHb86/edit )
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- Q?
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- ack next
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- Q?
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- present+
- 16:03:11 [lisa]
- scribe: kirkwood
- 16:03:41 [lisa]
- close item 1
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- next item
- 16:04:15 [Albert]
- present+
- 16:05:45 [lisa]
- ag members: https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/participants/
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- present+
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- 16:06:51 [kirkwood]
- od: https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/join/
- 16:06:51 [kirkwood]
- [11:05am] kirkwood: LS: rejoining AG. might be a bit slow, having given us time.
- 16:06:52 [kirkwood]
- [11:06am] kirkwood: LS: link to AG partipants can check if you are a member or inited expert.
- 16:07:00 [lisa]
- so you can see if you are an invited extert there
- 16:07:36 [lisa]
- organisations that are members: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/membership/list/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ezCV3sdi4TJU9O1iCtIMWeiN81PuesYt0PA4J5uIH3tX8XcMtLdNUO64bz5h4G69EYWYZkJV9z3DYK2HA0woL6aI$
- 16:07:36 [kirkwood]
- kirkwood: LS: rejoining AG. might be a bit slow, having given us time.
- 16:07:37 [kirkwood]
- [11:06am] kirkwood: LS: link to AG partipants can check if you are a member or inited expert.
- 16:08:18 [lisa]
- Reach out to the Advisory Committee (AC) representative for your organization. Your organization's AC representative needs to approve and submit you as a representative to the new group. Note: This can occasionally take time (particularly when an organization has a new AC representative), so we suggest starting the conversation with your AC representative sooner rather than later.
- 16:08:38 [kirkwood]
- LS: this is if you are a member, you write to the person from you company that represents you
- 16:10:22 [kirkwood]
- LS: invited experts me, john, abby, albert? not sure
- 16:10:31 [abbey]
- q+
- 16:10:36 [lisa]
- invited exerts https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ezCV3sdi4TJU9O1iCtIMWeiN81PuesYt0PA4J5uIH3tX8XcMtLdNUO64bz5h4G69EYWYZkJV9z3DYK2HA1sW4krP$
- 16:10:43 [kirkwood]
- LS: first go to this link;
- 16:10:56 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/join/
- 16:10:56 [Rachael]
- q+
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- ack next
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- ack next
- 16:12:02 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: i’m good don’t need to do it
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- Rachael: went through who we are comfortable approvin
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- Rachael: wait need database to catch up
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- Rachael: need to have github updated
- 16:15:33 [kirkwood]
- LS: we have been asked to update github to make sure its there. go to your account on W3C and add github
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- Racheal: go to edit profiles, connected accounts
- 16:17:20 [kirkwood]
- LS: go to ‘my account’ , edit profiles, connected accounts : add your github account
- 16:18:13 [kirkwood]
- LS: i well add to orintation
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- Q?
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- next item
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- close item 3
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- next item
- 16:18:55 [kirkwood]
- LS: eric couldn’t come
- 16:19:18 [kirkwood]
- LS: Abby you looked at user research
- 16:19:23 [kirkwood]
- … we did a survey
- 16:19:30 [kirkwood]
- … we can update the whole thing?
- 16:19:53 [kirkwood]
- … we can update parts? with link to wikipage showing things not updated
- 16:20:21 [kirkwood]
- … this is highly used, in meetings all over the place
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- … out of date since 2015
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- Abbey: it’s not very current, even type of users, lot in aging and dimentia since 2015, ADHD in adults
- 16:21:40 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: 3.6 is def ADHD, autism there is new language
- 16:22:10 [kirkwood]
- … dysgraphia is not in inere
- 16:22:22 [kirkwood]
- … is not in there
- 16:22:38 [kirkwood]
- … there is stuff with user groups needs to be updated
- 16:22:54 [kirkwood]
- … apheesia, and down syndorme nothing since 2015
- 16:23:03 [kirkwood]
- … might want to look into Long Covid
- 16:23:13 [kirkwood]
- … worth a deeper dive impact user groups
- 16:23:54 [kirkwood]
- LS: your feeling is we should add some
- 16:24:14 [kirkwood]
- LS: think we can lose some
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- Abbey: not sure
- 16:24:47 [kirkwood]
- LS: can put on wki page to be available, without going through review
- 16:25:02 [kirkwood]
- … same with reserach and cognitive function on a wiki page
- 16:25:09 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: i think so too
- 16:25:31 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: companies worked for user groups are most important
- 16:25:53 [kirkwood]
- LS: proposal to add a module of mental health
- 16:26:08 [kirkwood]
- LS: we had suggestion for general cognitive function
- 16:26:39 [kirkwood]
- LS: what we’ve found so far can only do it with volunteers to do work
- 16:27:28 [kirkwood]
- LS: we need to updte introduction and summary but thats just editorial
- 16:27:28 [kirkwood]
- LS: but if we need to add sections we need volunteers
- 16:27:57 [kirkwood]
- LS: don’t need to do all at once, collect research and write
- 16:29:16 [lisa]
- upadete the user section, adding mental health, long covid and health , genral LD and coga .. but we have people to look the reaserch
- 16:29:16 [kirkwood]
- LS: proposal is to update user sections adding mental health, long covid and health (name tbd), inections, brain fog, chemo, general learning disabilities, cognitive disabilities
- 16:29:30 [kirkwood]
- … with cavaat we have people to look into research
- 16:29:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: what kind of research is acceptable?
- 16:30:26 [kirkwood]
- LS: proposal add update user sections adding mental health long covid and brain fog, chemo etc.
- 16:30:52 [lisa]
- +1
- 16:30:53 [abbey]
- +1
- 16:30:57 [Albert]
- +1
- 16:31:00 [kirkwood]
- +1
- 16:31:02 [niamh]
- +1
- 16:31:05 [lisa]
- any objections?
- 16:31:44 [kirkwood]
- Lisa: do we have volunteer to take new user groups?
- 16:32:07 [kirkwood]
- … anyone volunteering to do update?
- 16:32:46 [kirkwood]
- LS: maybe three months to read over my guess is 10 documents
- 16:32:56 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: happy start on ADHD stuff
- 16:33:00 [lisa]
- abby: update on adhd
- 16:33:56 [kirkwood]
- Niamh: rather not commit think about it
- 16:34:17 [kirkwood]
- LS: Davic mental health one
- 16:34:25 [kirkwood]
- davic/David
- 16:34:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: if exists already do we thing 10 papers is enough, 5 papers?
- 16:35:09 [lisa]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.jhgeh79yam7t
- 16:35:20 [kirkwood]
- LS: literary review process is the link
- 16:35:40 [lisa]
- for an update on out date reasrch is 10 papers enough?
- 16:35:45 [kirkwood]
- LS: going to propose 10 papers?
- 16:35:58 [abbey]
- q+
- 16:35:59 [kirkwood]
- LS: are we comforable with that?
- 16:36:03 [lisa]
- how to do a lit review ? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.jhgeh79yam7t
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- next item
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- Abbey: think 10 is good, aiming for 10, epecially if its going to be updated
- 16:37:19 [kirkwood]
- LS: aim is 10 if haven’t done 10 come back to group
- 16:37:46 [lisa]
- aim for ten. of cource fgo over if you feel it is useful, come back to the group if less then 10
- 16:37:49 [kirkwood]
- +1
- 16:37:53 [lisa]
- +1
- 16:37:55 [Albert]
- +1
- 16:37:57 [abbey]
- +1
- 16:38:05 [lisa]
- any objections ?
- 16:38:12 [kirkwood]
- LS: objecions?
- 16:38:34 [kirkwood]
- seems none
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- next item
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- LS: Abbey thank you
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- ack next
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- next item
- 16:40:20 [kirkwood]
- LS: David did you look at CTAUR?
- 16:40:20 [kirkwood]
- DS: Yeah
- 16:40:45 [kirkwood]
- LS: going through CTAUR
- 16:41:05 [lisa]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJhBYRI-zk2rl_mohHZ63xAGZxzpDMxhHhXT66bjFBI/edit
- 16:41:33 [kirkwood]
- Collabortion Tools Accessibility User Requirments
- 16:41:58 [kirkwood]
- LS: devid taking over liaison to check loads of comments got into github
- 16:42:14 [kirkwood]
- DS: going to do for meeting Wednesday
- 16:42:33 [kirkwood]
- LS: trying to make it easy to find.
- 16:43:00 [kirkwood]
- DS: yeah inline comments and put in
- 16:43:13 [kirkwood]
- LS: bienig the sort of interpretor
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- LS: really good for communication, don’t think we are tagged on any of these issues or that you are tagged at least
- 16:44:22 [kirkwood]
- LS: vert hard to track, conversation in github we don’t know about it
- 16:44:41 [kirkwood]
- LS: are the comments in there, want to make sure?
- 16:44:52 [kirkwood]
- DS: ok
- 16:45:09 [lisa]
- next item
- 16:45:15 [kirkwood]
- LS: we need to learn to get it right from each other
- 16:45:33 [kirkwood]
- DS: will go to rqtf and APA and will report back
- 16:45:55 [kirkwood]
- LS sounds good
- 16:46:25 [lisa]
- agenda+ ,emta; hea;th https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.qn1vctt0b01p
- 16:46:31 [kirkwood]
- LS: we can carry on going through proposals for mental health
- 16:47:01 [kirkwood]
- LS: current poposal for COGA link
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- q?
- 16:47:58 [kirkwood]
- LS: we talked about COGA not sure how to handle, too many colors for example in a pattern to look at it more. what would be a good pattern about it
- 16:48:21 [kirkwood]
- DS: need guidance for use of color rather than specific colors
- 16:49:59 [kirkwood]
- DS: for example suggesting red for example is difficult
- 16:50:22 [kirkwood]
- JK: i’m unsure about color in mental health bucket
- 16:52:42 [kirkwood]
- LS: research stage working memory , doesn’t matter, only use hwo help making real, this will help people with these functional imparisment, then we give an example
- 16:53:02 [kirkwood]
- … how it helps we first talk about impairments
- 16:53:28 [kirkwood]
- … David do you want to help
- 16:53:45 [kirkwood]
- JK; put together a google doc share between david
- 16:54:53 [kirkwood]
- DS: next proposal is tricky, recognition this and proposal 6 presentaion of seach results, limit links displayed, customize presentation of links including foun size, specific use case for these
- 16:55:14 [kirkwood]
- … think suggestion was to add as an example. is that going too far?
- 16:55:52 [lisa]
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268
- 16:56:01 [kirkwood]
- LS: i go back to the research document. 11-50 partiipants
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- [link to research document above]
- 16:57:57 [kirkwood]
- LS: going through reseach document saying that less links was better in proposal said could be new pattern or support simplification. allow less items on page.
- 16:58:13 [kirkwood]
- … but we also have provide search
- 16:58:54 [kirkwood]
- DS: it seems niche because we already have something related to seach
- 16:59:10 [kirkwood]
- DS: except maybe shopping limit to 30 results etc
- 16:59:41 [kirkwood]
- LS: think it was proble not knowing how to do search terms.
- 17:01:59 [lisa]
- add to 4.3.6 Provide Search (Pattern) including boolian instuctions, , reducing itmes, or catagrins, foging terms
- 17:04:04 [lisa]
- +1
- 17:04:35 [kirkwood]
- +1
- 17:04:35 [DavidSwallow]
- +1
- 17:04:52 [kirkwood]
- LS: with 5, 6 and 7 we’d like to add to 4.6.3 provide serahc instruction reduce number of items, f
- 17:04:56 [lisa]
- albert +1, but needs more discusion
- 17:05:45 [kirkwood]
- Abbey: navigatin ecommertcce. ocd is about completion, have to scroll for all options before purchase. i open 50 tabs for one term search
- 17:06:09 [kirkwood]
- Albert: what help is to have a filter based on price, reviews, that actually works
- 17:06:25 [kirkwood]
- Albert: those kind of things help me
- 17:06:49 [kirkwood]
- Albert: can give guidance for accessibile serach pattern
- 17:07:28 [kirkwood]
- LS: also to find
- 17:07:37 [kirkwood]
- JK: to reduce number of results
- 17:07:43 [kirkwood]
- Alberty: yes
- 17:08:40 [kirkwood]
- Albert: also reduce results if you put in quotes get exact result for example, a lot more filters help narrow down faster, more efficiently
- 17:10:01 [kirkwood]
- Albert: in search, it will search in accordance it filters and give suggestions to help narrow down, which is very helpful to narrow down
- 17:11:08 [kirkwood]
- Albert: not knowing term exactly, assisted search to help find, really helps. if term without much background knowledge
- 17:12:07 [kirkwood]
- LS: assist user to find what want, with new ranges, options, etc. put into propsed pattern changes
- 17:12:11 [kirkwood]
- +1
- 17:12:16 [Albert]
- +1
- 17:12:55 [lisa]
- RRSAgent, publish minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/13-coga-minutes.html lisa