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11:47:29 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11:47:55 <lisa> regrets+ EA, julie
11:48:01 <lisa> agenda?
11:48:09 <lisa> clear agenda
11:48:26 <lisa> agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
11:48:50 <lisa>     AG update including  o   Recharter of AG AND.. Permissions to github via their profile
11:49:07 <lisa> agenda+    AG update including  o   Recharter of AG AND.. Permissions to github via their profile
11:49:50 <lisa> agenda+ github issues at:  https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/
11:50:31 <lisa> agenda+ Abbys review of user reaserch at:  https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/
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15:11:02 <lisa> agenda?
15:11:34 <lisa> agenda+ Cautar
15:12:28 <lisa> agenda+ (if time) New versions of issue papers (by Becca) on wayfinding (see https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1TDtuC_iMyS_X6nXwyEEAu4Abp2tXHb86/edit )
15:29:55 <lisa> Q?
15:30:02 <lisa> ack next
15:47:01 <lisa> Q?
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16:02:31 <abbey> present+
16:03:11 <lisa> scribe: kirkwood
16:03:41 <lisa> close item 1
16:03:46 <lisa> next item
16:04:15 <Albert> present+
16:05:45 <lisa> ag members: https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/participants/
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16:06:08 <DavidSwallow> present+
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16:06:51 <kirkwood> od: https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/join/
16:06:51 <kirkwood> [11:05am] kirkwood: LS: rejoining AG. might be a bit slow, having given us time.
16:06:52 <kirkwood> [11:06am] kirkwood: LS:  link to AG partipants can check if you are a member or inited expert.
16:07:00 <lisa> so you can see if you are an invited extert there
16:07:36 <lisa> organisations that are members: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/membership/list/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ezCV3sdi4TJU9O1iCtIMWeiN81PuesYt0PA4J5uIH3tX8XcMtLdNUO64bz5h4G69EYWYZkJV9z3DYK2HA0woL6aI$
16:07:36 <kirkwood> kirkwood: LS: rejoining AG. might be a bit slow, having given us time.
16:07:37 <kirkwood> [11:06am] kirkwood: LS:  link to AG partipants can check if you are a member or inited expert.
16:08:18 <lisa> Reach out to the Advisory Committee (AC) representative for your organization.  Your organization's AC representative needs to approve and submit you as a representative to the new group.  Note: This can occasionally take time (particularly when an organization has a new AC representative), so we suggest starting the conversation with your AC representative sooner rather than later.
16:08:38 <kirkwood> LS: this is if you are a member, you write to the person from you company that represents you
16:10:22 <kirkwood> LS: invited experts me, john, abby, albert? not sure
16:10:31 <abbey> q+
16:10:36 <lisa> invited exerts https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ezCV3sdi4TJU9O1iCtIMWeiN81PuesYt0PA4J5uIH3tX8XcMtLdNUO64bz5h4G69EYWYZkJV9z3DYK2HA1sW4krP$
16:10:43 <kirkwood> LS: first go to this link;
16:10:56 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/ag/join/
16:10:56 <Rachael> q+
16:11:19 <lisa> ack next
16:11:47 <lisa> ack next
16:12:02 <kirkwood> Abbey: i’m good don’t need to do it
16:12:27 <kirkwood> Rachael: went through who we are comfortable approvin
16:13:02 <kirkwood> Rachael: wait need database to catch up
16:13:34 <kirkwood> Rachael: need to have github updated
16:15:33 <kirkwood> LS: we have been asked to update github to make sure its there. go to your account on W3C and add github
16:16:02 <kirkwood> Racheal: go to edit profiles, connected accounts
16:17:20 <kirkwood> LS: go to ‘my account’ , edit profiles, connected accounts :  add your github account
16:18:13 <kirkwood> LS: i well add to orintation
16:18:18 <lisa> Q?
16:18:34 <lisa> next item
16:18:47 <lisa> close item 3
16:18:53 <lisa> next item
16:18:55 <kirkwood> LS: eric couldn’t come
16:19:18 <kirkwood> LS: Abby you looked at user research
16:19:23 <kirkwood> … we did a survey
16:19:30 <kirkwood> … we can update the whole thing?
16:19:53 <kirkwood> … we can update parts? with link to wikipage showing things not updated
16:20:21 <kirkwood> … this is highly used, in meetings all over the place
16:20:31 <kirkwood> … out of date since 2015
16:21:11 <kirkwood> Abbey: it’s not very current, even type of users, lot in aging and dimentia since 2015, ADHD in adults
16:21:40 <kirkwood> Abbey: 3.6 is def ADHD, autism there is new language
16:22:10 <kirkwood> … dysgraphia is not in inere
16:22:22 <kirkwood> … is not in there
16:22:38 <kirkwood> … there is stuff with user groups needs to be updated
16:22:54 <kirkwood> … apheesia, and down syndorme nothing since 2015
16:23:03 <kirkwood> … might want to look into Long Covid
16:23:13 <kirkwood> … worth a deeper dive impact user groups
16:23:54 <kirkwood> LS: your feeling is we should add some
16:24:14 <kirkwood> LS: think we can lose some
16:24:28 <kirkwood> Abbey: not sure
16:24:47 <kirkwood> LS: can put on wki page to be available, without going through review
16:25:02 <kirkwood> … same with reserach and cognitive function on a wiki page
16:25:09 <kirkwood> Abbey: i think so too
16:25:31 <kirkwood> Abbey: companies worked for user groups are most important
16:25:53 <kirkwood> LS: proposal to add a module of mental health
16:26:08 <kirkwood> LS: we had suggestion for general cognitive function
16:26:39 <kirkwood> LS: what we’ve found so far can only do it with volunteers to do work
16:27:28 <kirkwood> LS: we need to updte introduction and summary but thats just editorial
16:27:28 <kirkwood> LS: but if we need to add sections we need volunteers
16:27:57 <kirkwood> LS: don’t need to do all at once, collect research and write
16:29:16 <lisa> upadete the user section, adding mental health, long covid and health , genral LD and coga .. but we have people to look the reaserch
16:29:16 <kirkwood> LS: proposal is to update user sections adding mental health, long covid and health (name tbd), inections, brain fog, chemo, general learning disabilities, cognitive disabilities
16:29:30 <kirkwood> … with cavaat we have people to look into research
16:29:59 <kirkwood> LS: what kind of research is acceptable?
16:30:26 <kirkwood> LS: proposal add update user sections adding mental health long covid and brain fog, chemo etc.
16:30:52 <lisa> +1
16:30:53 <abbey> +1
16:30:57 <Albert> +1
16:31:00 <kirkwood> +1
16:31:02 <niamh> +1
16:31:05 <lisa> any objections?
16:31:44 <kirkwood> Lisa: do we have volunteer to take new user groups?
16:32:07 <kirkwood> … anyone volunteering to do update?
16:32:46 <kirkwood> LS: maybe three months to read over my guess is 10 documents
16:32:56 <kirkwood> Abbey: happy start on ADHD stuff
16:33:00 <lisa> abby: update on adhd
16:33:56 <kirkwood> Niamh: rather not commit think about it
16:34:17 <kirkwood> LS: Davic mental health one
16:34:25 <kirkwood> davic/David
16:34:59 <kirkwood> LS: if exists already do we thing 10 papers is enough, 5 papers?
16:35:09 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.jhgeh79yam7t
16:35:20 <kirkwood> LS: literary review process is the link
16:35:40 <lisa> for an update on out date reasrch is 10 papers enough?
16:35:45 <kirkwood> LS: going to propose 10 papers?
16:35:58 <abbey> q+
16:35:59 <kirkwood> LS: are we comforable with that?
16:36:03 <lisa> how to do a lit review ? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit#heading=h.jhgeh79yam7t
16:36:18 <lisa> next item
16:36:39 <kirkwood> Abbey: think 10 is good, aiming for 10, epecially if its going to be updated
16:37:19 <kirkwood> LS: aim is 10 if haven’t done 10 come back to group
16:37:46 <lisa> aim for ten. of cource fgo over if you feel it is useful, come back to the group if less then 10
16:37:49 <kirkwood> +1
16:37:53 <lisa> +1
16:37:55 <Albert> +1
16:37:57 <abbey> +1
16:38:05 <lisa> any objections ?
16:38:12 <kirkwood> LS: objecions?
16:38:34 <kirkwood> seems none
16:38:54 <lisa> next item
16:39:00 <kirkwood> LS: Abbey thank you
16:39:09 <lisa> ack next
16:39:16 <lisa> next item
16:40:20 <kirkwood> LS: David did you look at CTAUR?
16:40:20 <kirkwood> DS: Yeah
16:40:45 <kirkwood> LS: going through CTAUR
16:41:05 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJhBYRI-zk2rl_mohHZ63xAGZxzpDMxhHhXT66bjFBI/edit
16:41:33 <kirkwood> Collabortion Tools Accessibility User Requirments
16:41:58 <kirkwood> LS: devid taking over liaison to check loads of comments got into github
16:42:14 <kirkwood> DS: going to do for meeting Wednesday
16:42:33 <kirkwood> LS: trying to make it easy to  find.
16:43:00 <kirkwood> DS: yeah inline comments and put in
16:43:13 <kirkwood> LS: bienig the sort of interpretor
16:43:42 <kirkwood> LS: really good for communication, don’t think we are tagged on any of these issues or that you are tagged at least
16:44:22 <kirkwood> LS: vert hard to track, conversation in github we don’t know about it
16:44:41 <kirkwood> LS: are the comments in there, want to make sure?
16:44:52 <kirkwood> DS: ok
16:45:09 <lisa> next item
16:45:15 <kirkwood> LS: we need to learn to get it right from each other
16:45:33 <kirkwood> DS: will go to rqtf and APA and will report back
16:45:55 <kirkwood> LS sounds good
16:46:25 <lisa> agenda+ ,emta; hea;th https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.qn1vctt0b01p
16:46:31 <kirkwood> LS: we can carry on going through proposals for mental health
16:47:01 <kirkwood> LS: current poposal for COGA link
16:47:57 <lisa> q?
16:47:58 <kirkwood> LS: we talked about COGA not sure how to handle, too many colors for example in a pattern to look at it more. what would be a good pattern about it
16:48:21 <kirkwood> DS: need guidance for use of color rather than specific colors
16:49:59 <kirkwood> DS: for example suggesting red for example is difficult
16:50:22 <kirkwood> JK: i’m unsure about color in mental health bucket
16:52:42 <kirkwood> LS: research stage working memory , doesn’t matter, only use hwo help making real, this will help people with these functional imparisment, then we give an example
16:53:02 <kirkwood> … how it helps we first talk about impairments
16:53:28 <kirkwood> … David do you want to help
16:53:45 <kirkwood> JK; put together a google doc share between david
16:54:53 <kirkwood> DS: next proposal is tricky, recognition this and proposal 6 presentaion of seach results, limit links displayed, customize presentation of links including foun size, specific use case for these
16:55:14 <kirkwood> … think suggestion was to add as an example. is that going too far?
16:55:52 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268
16:56:01 <kirkwood> LS: i go back to the research document. 11-50 partiipants
16:56:37 <kirkwood> [link to research document above]
16:57:57 <kirkwood> LS: going through reseach document saying that less links was better in proposal said could be new pattern or support simplification. allow less items on page.
16:58:13 <kirkwood> … but we also have provide search
16:58:54 <kirkwood> DS: it seems niche because we already have something related to seach
16:59:10 <kirkwood> DS: except maybe shopping limit to 30 results etc
16:59:41 <kirkwood> LS: think it was proble not knowing how to do search terms.
17:01:59 <lisa> add to 4.3.6 Provide Search (Pattern) including boolian instuctions, , reducing itmes, or catagrins, foging terms
17:04:04 <lisa> +1
17:04:35 <kirkwood> +1
17:04:35 <DavidSwallow> +1
17:04:52 <kirkwood> LS: with 5, 6 and 7 we’d like to add to 4.6.3 provide serahc instruction reduce number of items, f
17:04:56 <lisa> albert +1, but needs more discusion
17:05:45 <kirkwood> Abbey: navigatin ecommertcce. ocd is about completion, have to scroll for all options before purchase. i open 50 tabs for one term search
17:06:09 <kirkwood> Albert: what help is to have a filter based on price, reviews, that actually works
17:06:25 <kirkwood> Albert: those kind of things help me
17:06:49 <kirkwood> Albert: can give guidance for accessibile serach pattern
17:07:28 <kirkwood> LS: also to find
17:07:37 <kirkwood> JK: to reduce number of results
17:07:43 <kirkwood> Alberty: yes
17:08:40 <kirkwood> Albert: also reduce results if you put in quotes get exact result for example, a lot more filters help narrow down faster, more efficiently
17:10:01 <kirkwood> Albert: in search, it will search in accordance it filters and give suggestions to help narrow down, which is very helpful to narrow down
17:11:08 <kirkwood> Albert: not knowing term exactly, assisted search to help find, really helps. if term without much background knowledge
17:12:07 <kirkwood> LS: assist user to find what want, with new ranges, options, etc. put into propsed pattern changes
17:12:11 <kirkwood> +1
17:12:16 <Albert> +1
17:12:55 <lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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