IRC log of apa on 2023-11-08

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RRSAgent, make logs Public

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk

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Chair: Matthew

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ Conference Attendance Checkins

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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ be done

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meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

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Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 08 Nov 2023

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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scribe+ niklasegger

15:04:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, who is here

15:04:15 [Zakim]

Lionel_Wolberger, you need to end that query with '?'

15:04:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, who is here?

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Present: mike_beganyi, janina, niklasegger, Lionel_Wolberger

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On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, niklasegger, mike_beganyi, IrfanAli, RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Roy, kirkwood, duga, nigel, janina, jamesn, joraboi445, M2cshkpcgrp, imlostlmao,

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... sonicscrewdriver, gonzu_15, gb, tink, Rachael, slightlyoff, cwilso, ada, agendabot, jcraig

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present+

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present+

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present+ PaulG

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]

15:05:53 [niklasegger]

matatk: I'm glad to be back, looking forward working together again

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present+

15:08:00 [Lionel_Wolberger]

+1 glad to have Matt here, now from Samsung!

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present+

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q?

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janina: We have now a liason with coga, more details next week

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Conference Attendance Checkins -- taken up [from janina]

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Present+

15:08:52 [Fredrik]

Matthew! Whoop whoop! With far superior sound quality to boot!

15:11:29 [niklasegger]

matatk: Who is going to be at CSUN 2024? (Please ask in your taskforces, who is also going)

15:11:48 [niklasegger]

Nichole: I'm going

15:13:27 [niklasegger]

matatk: Awesome, and who is going to AccessU next year in Austin, Texas in May?

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matatk: Anyone who is in a taskforce please report back, who is going

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Nichole: I'm also going to ATAI

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s/ATAI/ATIA/

15:16:25 [niklasegger]

Fredrik: I'm going to the Zero Project next year

15:16:32 [niklasegger]

Lionel_Wolberger: Me too

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]

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subtopic: Browser Tools and Testing WG (WebDriver) rechartering

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- charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2024/btt-wg.html

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/438

15:16:58 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/438 -> Issue 438 Browser Tools and Testing WG (WebDriver) rechartering (by sideshowbarker) [Horizontal review requested] [charter]

15:17:43 [niklasegger]

Roy: They want to have a liason with, work with us. There is a possibility of a11y considerations

15:18:49 [niklasegger]

matatk: I think we just need to work with them in general, but let me double check. I don't think they ask for a specifiy liason, more like a horizontal review

15:19:29 [janina]

TPAC 2024 is a hybrid meeting the week of 23-27 September 2024. In person will be at the Hilton Anaheim, California uSA

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q?

15:20:37 [niklasegger]

matatk: I don't see any concerning parts, I think we can sign it off. Are there any objections?

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(... no objections)

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]

15:21:33 [niklasegger]

matatk: Any new comments/ requests?

15:21:38 [Roy]

subtopic: [accordion] UA ability for user to over-ride exclusive accordions functionality

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- issue: https://github.com/openui/open-ui/issues/925

15:21:39 [gb]

https://github.com/openui/open-ui/issues/925 -> Issue 925 [accordion] UA ability for user to over-ride exclusive accordions functionality (by gregwhitworth) [a11y-tracker] [accordion]

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subtopic: Clarify details documentation for a11y and usage

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- issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9899

15:22:08 [gb]

https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9899 -> Issue 9899 Clarify details documentation for a11y and usage (by scottaohara) [accessibility] [a11y-tracker]

15:23:41 [niklasegger]

janina: Big topic, since a few years. We should keep an eye on it

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q+

15:27:51 [niklasegger]

matatk: I'm going to have a look into these threads. Once I have understood the situation better I will post in the list

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q?

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ack janina

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q?

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]

15:31:51 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/66

15:31:51 [gb]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/66 -> Issue 66 DAPT 2021-07-18 (by nigelmegitt) [REVIEW REQUESTED] [FPWD] [pending]

15:31:59 [niklasegger]

matatk: I thought we have done the DAPT one?

15:33:26 [niklasegger]

matatk: They have been waiting since July

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matatk: Do you want to take a look at it Fredrik?

15:34:04 [niklasegger]

Fredrik: Yeah, sure

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janina: I'll have a look too and hopefully a response ready by next week

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zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]

15:36:28 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 6 was just opened, matatk

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 6 closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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7. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina]

15:36:39 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]

15:37:32 [niklasegger]

Paul: There is nothing going on right now. I've spent a lot of time on APIs

15:38:55 [niklasegger]

matatk: There are two things I want to mention: In the TPAC meeting we were in, friday evening, with CSS. They introduced us to 3 proposals from Google to make summaries more accessible

15:40:03 [matatk]

Check under "next steps" for the CSS meeting, via our APA TPAC 2023 page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#CSS

15:41:03 [niklasegger]

matatk: Happy to hear opinions on that... just post to the list

15:42:38 [niklasegger]

matatk: Another interesting discussion about focus indicator and the problem with dark modes. Developers forgetting some aspects resulting in not accessbile focus indicatos

15:43:14 [niklasegger]

matatk: Please everyone have a look at the linked wiki-page. A lot of interessting discussions

15:44:50 [niklasegger]

matatk: For example, anchor positions, to create accessible floating widgets, menus for example

15:45:52 [niklasegger]

Paul: Also important with anchor positions, you focus an element but it leaves the DOM, you would have to tab through the page to get back to the position you were. Anchor positions also want to tackle that problem

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zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]

15:49:08 [niklasegger]

matatk: I'm catching up on mine

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 8 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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9. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 9 closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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10. Other Business [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]

15:50:31 [niklasegger]

janina: We are thinking about changing the ADAPT call

15:51:03 [niklasegger]

matatk: e are thinking of changing from Monday at 10am Boston to Tuesday at 10am Boston

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s/e are/we are/

15:52:39 [niklasegger]

janina: Typically we take the two weeks at the end of year off. Just a heads up at this point

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q?

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 10 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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11. be done [from janina]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 11 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]

15:53:42 [niklasegger]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-apa-minutes.html niklasegger

16:00:25 [janina]

zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been mike_beganyi, janina, niklasegger, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, Roy, PaulG, Nichole, Fredrik, IrfanAli

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/08-apa-minutes.html Zakim

16:00:33 [Zakim]

I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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rrsagent, bye

16:00:39 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items