IRC log of i18n on 2023-11-02

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-irc
12:57:48 [addison]
Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
12:57:56 [agendabot]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c5b143d1-0a5b-4adb-8d60-0f5f9bfe5a41/20231102T150000/
12:57:56 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Agenda Review
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agenda+ Action Items
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agenda+ Info Share
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agenda+ RADAR Review
12:58:00 [addison]
Chair: Addison Phillips
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agenda+ Pending Issue Review
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agenda+ Handling name-like fields in specdev
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agenda+ AOB?
12:58:12 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
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present+ Addison
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agenda+ vc-json-schema and name/description
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present+ Fuqiao
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present+ Atsushi
15:01:31 [addison]
present+ Richard, Bert
15:01:44 [xfq]
scribe: xfq
15:03:02 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:02 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:04 [addison]
gb, list open actions
15:04:04 [gb]
Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #56, #55, #54, #53, #48, #47, #43, #39, #35, #33, #18, #16, #12, #11, #8, #7, #5, #4
15:04:15 [addison]
#56
15:04:16 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56 -> Action 56 check on permissions with w3ctag and follow up with plh on looking for notifications (on xfq) due 2023-11-02
15:04:40 [addison]
xfq: sent an email but no reply yet
15:04:46 [addison]
#55
15:04:47 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/55 -> Action 55 work out new time slot for i18n/CSS call (on xfq) due 2023-11-01
15:04:51 [JcK]
present+ JcK
15:05:17 [xfq]
https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/aOZ9ZpEe
15:05:23 [addison]
xfq: sent a doodle poll
15:05:32 [addison]
... waiting on addison
15:05:56 [addison]
#54
15:05:57 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/54 -> Action 54 read Murata-san's ruby-t2s-req and Chinese requirements and Zaima and see what we're going to do (on xfq) due 2023-11-01
15:06:24 [addison]
xfq: starting reviewing today, need time
15:06:30 [addison]
#53
15:06:30 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53 -> Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01
15:06:41 [addison]
#48
15:06:41 [xfq]
scribe+ addison
15:06:41 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/48 -> Action 48 work with clreq to investigate or produce a generics proposal (on xfq) due 2023-10-05
15:07:22 [addison]
xfq: propose to close because we decided to wait for css wg to work on the registry framework
15:07:27 [addison]
close #48
15:07:29 [gb]
Closed -> action #48 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/48
15:07:31 [addison]
#47
15:07:32 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/47 -> Action 47 make the CSSWG aware of Warichu (on frivoal) due 2023-10-04
15:07:38 [addison]
#43
15:07:38 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
15:07:56 [addison]
#39
15:07:57 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/39 -> Action 39 develop best practice guidelines for name-like fields (on aphillips) due 2023-08-31
15:08:15 [addison]
#35
15:08:16 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 -> Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30
15:08:20 [addison]
#33
15:08:20 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:08:40 [addison]
#18
15:08:40 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18 -> Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal, fantasai)
15:08:45 [addison]
#16
15:08:45 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips)
15:08:50 [addison]
#12
15:08:51 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips)
15:09:08 [addison]
#11
15:09:08 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 -> Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal)
15:09:14 [addison]
#8
15:09:15 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on aphillips)
15:09:20 [addison]
#7
15:09:21 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github)
15:09:45 [addison]
#5
15:09:45 [addison]
#5
15:09:45 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5 -> Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on r12a)
15:09:58 [addison]
#4
15:09:59 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a)
15:10:22 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 3
15:10:22 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:10:38 [r12a]
q+
15:10:45 [addison]
ack r12a
15:11:00 [xfq]
JcK: IETF is next week
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... so I may not be on the call
15:11:25 [r12a]
https://typo.social/@ri/111311675323086386
15:11:34 [xfq]
r12a: last week I mentioned that I was working on the font lister page and the samples page
15:11:38 [xfq]
... the work is done
15:11:43 [xfq]
... see the link ^
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... I added about 20 scripts
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... improved the UI in a number of ways
15:12:21 [r12a]
https://typo.social/@ri/111311572521610006
15:12:46 [xfq]
r12a: this is the font lister update
15:12:59 [xfq]
... I reloaded all the fonts on my system
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... and snaps of them
15:13:16 [xfq]
... there are over 800 pictures of the text for a lot of scripts
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... there are 20 new scripts approximately
15:14:00 [xfq]
... macOS Ventura, doesn't support macOS Sonoma yet
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... a number of UI improvements
15:14:23 [r12a]
https://typo.social/@ri/111311616598455406
15:14:26 [xfq]
... you can increase and decrease the size of the font
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... as well as the images
15:15:00 [xfq]
... if you click the icon to the left of the font name, like the Windows icon
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... all the other fonts will disappear
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... and you'll only see the Windows font
15:15:30 [r12a]
q+
15:15:50 [xfq]
addison: Unicode Technology Workshop is next week
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... it is an in-person event in Mountain View
15:16:23 [addison]
https://unicode.org/events/utw/program/#tue
15:16:24 [xfq]
... if you're not there I'll let you know if you missed anything
15:16:36 [xfq]
r12a: it would be nice to know who's gonna be speaking there
15:18:00 [xfq]
addison: if you are paying attention to the MessageFormat work, there's a balloting going on
15:18:02 [r12a]
https://r12a.github.io/scripts/fontlist/
15:18:06 [xfq]
... I've been the chair
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... please vote
15:19:32 [xfq]
r12a: I'm going to suggest that these are the generic fallback
15:19:48 [xfq]
... this font page only looks at fonts that are available on Windows and macOS and Noto fonts and SIL fonts
15:19:56 [xfq]
... and it doesn't look at anything else
15:20:35 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 4
15:20:35 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:20:52 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:21:06 [xfq]
addison: we have no new incoming
15:21:25 [xfq]
... I did move VC JSON Schema to Awaiting comment resolution
15:21:32 [xfq]
... atsushi, thank you for filing the issue
15:21:41 [xfq]
... I adjusted the tags slightly
15:22:04 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 4
15:22:04 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:22:10 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 5
15:22:10 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:22:34 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:23:10 [addison]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 6
15:23:21 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- Handling name-like fields in specdev -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:23:37 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/121
15:23:51 [addison]
https://deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#markup
15:24:11 [xfq]
addison: this is something we discussed
15:24:19 [xfq]
... I did a significant rewrite
15:24:29 [xfq]
... I reorganised the sections completely
15:24:46 [xfq]
... I've retitled the section that used to be called "markup & syntax"
15:25:39 [xfq]
... it's now called "Document formats, markup & syntax"
15:26:07 [xfq]
... I'll point out the Japanese example is from Google Translate
15:26:21 [xfq]
p.myClassName and p.私のクラス名
15:26:43 [xfq]
JcK: I don't see issues on skimming
15:26:51 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 8
15:26:51 [Zakim]
agendum 8 -- vc-json-schema and name/description -- taken up [from addison]
15:26:53 [xfq]
... from my standpoint, go ahead and merge it
15:27:03 [xfq]
... I'll try to review the merged version
15:27:03 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1775
15:27:03 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1775 -> Issue 1775 `name` and `description` fields need language and direction (by aphillips) [pending] [t:bidi_strings] [t:lang_strings] [s:vc-json-schema]
15:27:14 [xfq]
addison: OK. We've accomplished something.
15:27:51 [xfq]
addison: the VC JSON Schema document is telling people how to write JSON Schemas of a particular credential
15:27:58 [addison]
https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-json-schema/#name
15:28:15 [xfq]
... if you look at that location in vc-json-schema ^
15:28:34 [xfq]
... and then you scroll down just a little bit and you'll see example 6 of an example of a JSON schema
15:28:47 [xfq]
... the name and description are in English
15:29:30 [xfq]
... therefore I would think that we would want VC JSON Schema to say, you should use, for example the context to provide language and direction metadata for these fields
15:29:46 [xfq]
... you should label these in different languages
15:29:59 [xfq]
... they should address the localizability of schemas that people produce
15:30:12 [xfq]
... maybe make them in more than English
15:30:20 [xfq]
... and maybe tell people what language they're in
15:30:27 [xfq]
atsushi: I totally agree
15:30:29 [atsushi]
+1
15:30:43 [xfq]
addison: any other thoughts on #1775?
15:30:44 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/1775 -> Issue 1775 [not found]
15:30:49 [xfq]
... any objections?
15:31:00 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 7
15:31:00 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:31:00 [xfq]
... I'll make that comment then
15:31:20 [xfq]
q+
15:31:28 [r12a]
https://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/index.fr.html
15:31:28 [addison]
ack r12a
15:31:46 [xfq]
r12a: I just published a French translation
15:31:50 [xfq]
... for this article ^
15:32:14 [xfq]
... if you go to the English version, I reorganised the text somewhat
15:32:26 [xfq]
... based on the suggestion of the French translator
15:32:45 [xfq]
... the French translation looks a bit different from the English one
15:32:53 [xfq]
... but it's all good, I think
15:33:05 [xfq]
... but it was an interesting exercise
15:33:20 [xfq]
... mostly moved stuff a around a bit
15:33:33 [r12a]
https://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/index.en.html
15:35:39 [xfq]
ack r12a
15:36:02 [addison]
ack xfq
15:36:07 [xfq]
r12a: Gwendoline Clavé is the translator
15:36:12 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/13
15:36:13 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/13 -> Issue 13 Broken links (by xfq)
15:36:18 [addison]
(thanks from the working group!!)
15:38:52 [xfq]
xfq: @@1
15:39:14 [addison]
action: xfq: add localizable content definition to the glossary
15:39:22 [gb]
Created -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/57
15:40:19 [xfq]
rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:20 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:51:50 [addison]
zakim, who is here?
15:51:50 [Zakim]
Present: Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, r12a, Richard, Bert, JcK
15:51:51 [Zakim]
On IRC I see JcK, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, gb, Zakim, gonzu_15, BoKilgore, imlostlmao, Github, MojGraph, clafase, James1, florian, eemeli, fantasai, sangwhan,
15:51:51 [Zakim]
... hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, astearns, Rachael, koji, Mek, cwilso, alastairc, csarven, agendabot, Bert, hsivonen
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:53:47 [addison]
action: addison: revise localizable-manifests in light of tpac conversation and new explainer
15:53:48 [gb]
Created -> action #58 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/58
15:53:53 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/02-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:37:03 [addison]
zakim, bye
16:37:03 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, r12a, Richard, Bert, JcK
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