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14:58:01 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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14:59:05 <lisa> topic: clear language (and internationalization update)
14:59:22 <julierawe> Agenda+ Welcome new member
14:59:37 <julierawe> Clear agenda
14:59:47 <julierawe> Agenda + Welcome new member
14:59:55 <julierawe> Agenda+ Internationalization update
15:00:12 <julierawe> Agenda+ Clear Language feedback from AG
15:00:22 <julierawe> Agenda+ Planning next steps
15:01:51 <rashmi> present+
15:01:52 <julierawe> Niamh is new COGA member
15:02:09 <julierawe> Niamh is building a system to test accessibility in language
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15:05:11 <julierawe> Can everyone please enter "present+"?
15:05:32 <Niamh> present
15:05:52 <julierawe> Rashmi registered for Navigation team with WCAG 3
15:09:06 <julierawe> Rashmi asked how COGA members can participate in other WCAG 3 teams that are developing WCAG 3 guidelines like "Aid Navigation"
15:09:32 <julierawe> Julie said COGA members should contribute individually and raise concerns with the larger COGA group as needed
15:09:35 <julierawe> Lisa agreed
15:10:02 <julierawe> Rashmi asked about internationalization and mental health
15:12:33 <julierawe> Action doc: Julie will create a google doc so COGA folks can add internationalization issues to the doc
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15:12:43 <julierawe> Lisa raised concerns about different threads in different places
15:13:15 <kirkwood> +1 to avoiding the multi thread issue brought up by Lisa
15:15:02 <julierawe> Rashmi said the issue involve social media and cultural perspectives and phrases that may sound offensive to some people
15:15:24 <julierawe> Lisa said the specific suggestion was not to talk down to people — to pick a tone that isn't patronizing.
15:15:57 <julierawe> Lisa said this overlaps with Clear Language because we tell people to use a simple voice but we don't want to be perceived as childish/patronizing. Do they sometimes conflict?
15:16:30 <kirkwood> cultural meaning?  in gov’t we called this internationalization and localization
15:17:07 <kirkwood> localization addressed cultural issue
15:18:24 <rashmi> thank you John for adding this
15:19:32 <julierawe> Action item: Add concern to Clear Language guidelines about avoiding sounding patronizing. This should also be repeated in Mental Health.
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15:19:32 <katy> Yes, really important - can stop people engaging with the information altogether. John K - that's really interesting about Spanish - have you got a link?
15:20:02 <julierawe> next item
15:20:42 <julierawe> next item
15:24:04 <julierawe> Internationalization update: We are working on scheduling a meeting with the chairs of AG and APA and some Internationalization folks
15:24:16 <julierawe> Hopefully that meeting will happen next week
15:24:41 <julierawe> Lisa hopefully at least a couple folks from Internationalization can come
15:24:56 <julierawe> The person we really need feedback from Addison
15:26:01 <julierawe> Lisa: The time zones are so spread out, we can't get everyone
15:27:45 <lisa> q+
15:29:06 <julierawe> Julie recapped our plan to test in a diverse group of 5 languages: English, Arabic, Chinese, Russian & Hindi
15:29:22 <julierawe> Lisa: We will also have a wiki for other languages
15:29:48 <julierawe> Lisa: The plan is to develop general guidelines and test in these diverse languages to test if appropriate in diverse languages
15:30:26 <julierawe> Lisa: If we are including Hindi, we should consider scheduling the meetings at other times that work for folks in Russia and India
15:30:37 <julierawe> Lisa: You may want to look into time zones
15:31:03 <julierawe> Lisa: We have people in COGA who have expertise in most of these languages
15:33:45 <julierawe> next item
15:35:43 <julierawe> q?
15:35:55 <lisa> -q
15:36:02 <julierawe> next itme
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15:38:43 <lisa> q+
15:39:30 <julierawe> Julie: General note on the importance of commenting or thumbs-up on Github at least 24 hours prior to AG meeting
15:40:01 <julierawe> Lisa: It would be great for COGA to send a WCAG 3 email once a week or every other week so people know what they need to be looking at and by when
15:40:26 <lisa> q-
15:41:05 <kirkwood> summary email to the list with deadlines is always very very helpful (Lisa often has done this in the past)
15:41:53 <julierawe> Action item: Julie will develop a system for updating COGA folks on which WCAG 3 items up coming up when
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15:42:09 <JohnRochford> I have been PMing people via Zoom chat, BTW, you peeps.
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15:43:27 <lisa> q+
15:43:58 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nw0uqseDHPiRfrC8NvnHAoX2HsRERblGEOGW6MU-jJM/edit#heading=h.sxfsael6ky53
15:44:58 <lisa> i keep our links at https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.49xg1j6yjxur
15:45:10 <lisa> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NSWwowQHzolbxAoepoRFisPEkdQO-Xh2
15:45:26 <lisa> ag agendas https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Upcoming_agendas
15:45:40 <katy> Thank you for sharing these, it's so helpful - I feel a bit overwhelmed with the different docs and where they are.
15:45:41 <kirkwood> what is the first link?
15:46:20 <lisa> spread sheet from ag https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oy5Guap5wnMFhp4OPhgGn1ihuHYmksstPqMHMrc_Krg/edit#gid=0
15:46:38 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-37B4PNCmrmcyUYWgCxqXUH4rmzI5P3TGB-9EG7ojuw/edit#gid=0
15:48:24 <julierawe> Lisa: We can ask AG folks for help in knowing which items are coming up next
15:49:02 <julierawe> Lisa: When do they want people to give feedback? We want to be at the right time of the conversation
15:49:16 <julierawe> Lisa: We also want to know who COGA has in each group
15:50:48 <JohnRochford> q+
15:51:22 <julierawe> ack JohnRochford
15:51:37 <julierawe> ack next
15:52:44 <julierawe> John Rochford: We've been talking about participating synchronously
15:53:03 <julierawe> John Rochford: If the current process is inadequate for us, that one week's time is not realistic
15:53:37 <kirkwood> q+  just a suggestion: I feel we need a robust primary ‘tracker’ document that we discuss beginning of every COGA meeting
15:54:29 <julierawe> ack next
15:54:57 <julierawe> Action item: Julie to create a primary tracker doc for COGA to keep track of WCAG 3 teams
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15:55:09 <julierawe> John K: We could start each COGA meeting looking at this tracker
15:57:03 <JohnRochford> •	Split the very long set of Clear Language guidelines into separate guidelines that can be recombined later if needed:  o	Word comprehension, sentence structure, implied meaning, chunking information, numerical concepts o	I think splitting these up will help us move the different parts forward more efficiently.
15:57:48 <Niamh> When is commenting on these to close or deadline for completion?
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