12:25:42 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:25:46 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-rqtf-irc 12:25:46 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:25:47 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jasonjgw 12:26:16 meeting: Research Questions Task Force meeting 12:26:36 present+ 12:26:37 scribe+ 12:26:40 chair: jasonjgw 12:30:23 jasonjgw has joined #rqtf 12:30:40 agenda? 12:32:35 agenda? 12:33:09 agenda+ Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. 12:33:43 agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements. 12:34:02 agenda+ Accessibility of CAPTCHA. 12:34:13 agenda+ Miscellaneous topics. 12:53:26 jasonjgw has joined #rqtf 12:57:26 scott_h has joined #rqtf 13:01:18 Roy has joined #rqtf 13:02:30 present+ 13:02:33 scribe+ 13:02:53 janina has joined #rqtf 13:02:58 present+ 13:03:04 zakim, next item 13:03:04 agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:03:39 jason: issues agreed last week to add 13:03:57 teatment of generative machine lerning envrionments 13:04:33 integrated envrionments in collaboration tools 13:04:54 Raja_Kushalnagar has joined #rqtf 13:05:14 janina: mentioned accessibility checkers still an issue? 13:05:31 may have collaborative aspects 13:06:01 some issues interrelated, e.g. ability to get summaries - generative AI 13:06:51 suggests APIs shoudl be developed 13:07:49 raja: on zoom, can get summary and AI optin but have to tell admin 13:08:00 interesting and relevant 13:08:16 janina: yes, have used in some meetings that zoom provides in paid version 13:09:05 could request it 13:09:51 raja: tehre's bias in AI models sometimes 13:10:10 want to add someting that reflects us in meetings 13:10:51 can we choose our own AI? 13:11:12 janina: not up to us to name systm, but need to note how accessibility fits in 13:12:28 jason: potential issues we can raise 13:12:51 can dicuss relaitonship between genrative machine learning systems and prompting/review expected of content with accessibility features 13:13:12 e.g. ATAG expations of reivew and prompting of text alternatives, etc 13:13:27 if auto-generated audio, ggraphical content, subject to same expectations 13:13:43 authors shoudl be promopted 13:13:59 additionally, may be to generatively crate accessibilit 13:14:04 Recommending a book, "The Alignment Problem," Wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alignment_Problem 13:14:08 e.g. captions, alt text, etc 13:14:35 also generative systems ccome in different forms: server cluster, some local, some may combine the two, 13:14:58 so any solution shoudl be capable of implemenaiton regardless of where machine learning is executed 13:16:57 scott: can we separate AI summaries generallyu, 13:17:15 e.g. Microsoft co-pilot, compared to specific collaboration tool? 13:18:01 jason: comment summaires, review summaires as suggested summaries coudl be speciifc CT example so AI processes before human approved 13:19:06 raja: could roy provide uique words for interpreters on AI terms 13:19:38 AI, collaboraiton tools, Microsoft, PowerPoint 13:21:14 jason: terminology in the agenda 13:21:37 interpreter: do get definition list regularly 13:24:28 raja: when Microsoft powerpoint sees slides, automated captions becomes more accurate 13:24:53 assumption is that increasing the predictability 13:25:38 jaspon: in relaiton to collaboration tools, can create long language prompts for machine learning 13:25:52 so background info can be put into prompte that influences what it does in dialogue 13:26:03 i.e. primed with mateirl before generating 13:26:27 secondly, Google and Microsoft developing systems that take into account organisaitons' content 13:26:37 i.e. not just the one your'e working on 13:27:29 janina: we can get a demo of this if group is intersted 13:28:46 janina to follow up on possible demo with Lionel 13:29:15 jason: back to CTAUR< will keep working on both issues 13:29:29 should say something about automated AI generated summaries 13:29:36 other themes? 13:30:03 janina: will spend more itme, 13:30:59 will continue working on it 13:32:13 formal liason to COGA - David Swallow 13:33:01 zakim, next item 13:33:01 agendum 2 -- Media Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:34:23 janina: media intreest group rechartered 13:34:46 jason: APA made initial comments on broadcasitn gproposal 13:35:12 going to several standar documents 13:35:55 MAUR: still gathering updates at the moment 13:37:30 zakim, next item 13:37:30 agendum 3 -- Accessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:38:32 jason: some references added 13:38:36 planning to contact W3C security gorups 13:38:50 janina: Lionelmay be able to contribute 13:39:22 goal: up to date when we move to publicaiton wth industry expectaiton 13:40:20 zakim, next item 13:40:20 agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:41:14 jason: announcement from Google - features using automatically created summaires of long web pages with links to sources 13:41:33 so summary poitns back to oriignal URI 13:42:43 raja: does it need to be a different type of usmmary depending on learning and language, e.g. ESL vs cogntiive disability 13:43:05 can we look at that in RQTF? 13:44:23 janina; yes, different summaires are needed and feedback is going into these processes 13:44:53 our liason can help progress this for RQTF 13:47:49 kirkwood has joined #rqtf 13:48:52 janina: time zone chnages in north america 13:49:08 Scott apology for next week 13:50:55 zakim, end meeting 13:50:55 As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, janina 13:50:56 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:50:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/11/01-rqtf-minutes.html Zakim 13:51:04 I am happy to have been of service, jasonjgw; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. 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