IRC log of wot-uc on 2023-10-26

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13:00:50 [kaz]
meeting: WoT Use Cases
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster
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chair: McCool
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present+ Ege_Korkan
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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scribenick: mjk
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topic: minutes review
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_UseCase_WebConf#October_26th.2C_2023
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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/10/19-wot-uc-minutes.html Oct-19
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mm: any objections to publishing the minutes?
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... no objections, publish
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topic: PRs
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subtopic: PR #224
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/224 PR 224 - Update README.md
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mm: rewording the README
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... any objections to merging?
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... merged
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topic: PR #231 - Discovery Requirements
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s/topic/subtopic
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mm: added category names
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i|added|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/231 PR 231 - Capture Discovery Requirements|
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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mm: some of the category names are actually use cases
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q?
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q+
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present+ Luca_Barbato
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mm: the education use case needs more context in the name
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kaz: adding existing use cases is good, we need more discussion around education use cases
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... for example learning analytics
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ack k
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:17:53 [mjk]
... suggest that we add a note to explain that we need more use cases
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mm: split up some use cases that had more than one requirement combined
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... some section numbering is wrong
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q+
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ack k
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kaz: there should be accessibility use cases
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s/use cases/use cases. note that one specific use case could belong to multiple categories./
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... (online editing)
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:32:03 [mjk]
mm: consistent format for entries example committed to the document
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... still need to fix some formatting
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q+
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... any objections to merge this once the formatting is fixed?
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kaz: happy with this direction, this could become a new template
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mm: yes, the big job is the TD work
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ege: this looks good, but not sure how the rest of the pipeline will work
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... what about the title for example system
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mm: this is the category, thinking about dropping th ecategories
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s/th ec/the c/
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q+
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:35:55 [mjk]
ege: what do we do if a requirement is not satisfied and we need to create a feature and work items
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mm: we will need to link to work items
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... what if a requirement is partially satisfied? What is the progress?
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... what about mandatory vs. optional features?
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ege: this is better and should be merged
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q?
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ack k
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kaz: we can start with this and iterate, and improve the categories
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q+
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ack mjk
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mm: we can merge now and discuss the structure more later
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... we can start a PR for TD and bindings now
13:40:23 [kaz]
s/categories/categories. for example, we could use "General" instead of "System" for 4.3.6.1
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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subtopic: PR#233 - Security
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mm: started to define categories, work in progress
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i|started|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/233 PR 233 - Template for Category/Risk org for Security Requiremens|
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s/mens/ments/
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mm: subsection for risk
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q+
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mm: each risk has a mitigation requirement
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... any opinions or comments?
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kaz: the direction is good, I fixed the spelling in the title, also there is a formatting error
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mm: added security to the category names to avoid conflicts with other categories
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mm: should the requirement be named after the risk or the mitigation?
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... A risk may have multiple requirements
13:50:16 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/232
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subtopic: PR #232
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q+
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mm: specific categories for security
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ege: the public category seems to be more than one category
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q+
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mm: there might be come common requirements in the public category, for example ddos
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... we can always iterate and adjust
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kaz: in the titles, maybe we could add "risk of" to clarify the security context
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mm: some requirements could fall into more than one category
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kaz: we don't need to add risk of to the titles
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kaz: also we should think about using a noun or adjective in the title
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mm: adjectives are more descriptive
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kaz: for example private is too vague, we should add more description
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... we should think about what kind of titles to use for the categories
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mm: will follow up with another meeting, TBA
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... adjourned
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