IRC log of adapt on 2023-10-23

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger

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Meeting: WAI Adapt Weekly Teleconference Monday October 23, 2023

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agenda+ Welcome, general updates

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agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations: One-pager in HTML

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agenda+ Issue 240 discussion (Unicode / Registry)

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agenda+ well-known URI for accessibility proposal/discuss. include in Gap analysis (Lionel)

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agenda+ A11y4Children follow-ups

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agenda+ Recruiting

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agenda+ User Agents and Symbols Implementations

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Date: 23 October 2023

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Chair: Lionel_Wolberger

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present+

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present+

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present+

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present+

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scribe+

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agendum 1 -- Welcome, general updates -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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gb, help

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Roy, I am a bot to look up and create GitHub issues and

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… action items. I am an instance of GHURLBot 0.3.

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… Try "gb, help commands" or

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… see https://w3c.github.io/GHURLBot/manual.html

14:11:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel: Would like to review how we connect our IRC name to our GitHub name

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gb, Lionel_Wolberger is lwolberg

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Lionel_Wolberger, OK.

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action: Lionel_Wolberger to test gb

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Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.

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Created -> action #246 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/246

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... The command I was looking for is 'gb, Lionel_Wolberger is lwolberg'

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Close action #246

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https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/246 -> Action 246 test gb (on lwolberg) due 2023-10-30

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close #246

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Closed -> action #246 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/246

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agendum 2 -- Symbol Module Implementations: One-pager in HTML -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks to Sharon for a great job rendering the handout in HTML

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Roy: We can host this HTML in WAI Adapt's main branch on GitHub

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... I will load these into GitHub and supply three URLs:

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... (1), the side-by-side version as Sharon did it

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... (2) and (3), single versions; (2) being the Blissymbolics and (3) being the ARASAAC, each alone on a page

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Lionel_Wolberger: Once we have these, we can decide where and how to edit the explainer to link to these files

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action: Roy to Symbols Explainer Made Available as HTML Pages on GitHub

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Created -> action #247 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/247

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agendum 3 -- Issue 240 discussion (Unicode / Registry) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Sharon: Russell did update us by email last week

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... He wrote, I have been responding on Github to issue 240...

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... Russell plans to respond to the last comment, expects to complete by next week.

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agendum 4 -- well-known URI for accessibility proposal/discuss. include in Gap analysis (Lionel) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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Lionel_Wolberger: We understand we are waiting for Matt to settle his new credentials

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... but meanwhile we have a demo from Abhinav

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Abhinav: (Shared screen with a short PPT with his speaking notes)

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... Well-known URI for accessibility

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... What is Well-known URI? It is a URL prefix starting with /.well-known/

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... implemented to provide a well known and predictable location

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... one well-known used one is security.txt

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... it allows security researchers to disclose security vulnerabilities

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... it is implemented by many companies such as SAP, Google, Amazon

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... and is used to provide a well known URL for people to report security vulnerabilities

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... proposes /.wellknown/a11y.html to provide a consistent location

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... suggesting the .html suffix as this may be more compatible with screen readers

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... (shows a sample of a page, where a table has rows

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... Each row can supply a field with an example and description

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... (shows a sample page)

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... (demonstrates security.txt.

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... it lists contact URL, contact email, and other fields are added as the standard is extensible

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... (demonstrates a similar a11y.html page listing ACR, WCAG level, and links for accessibility help and a contact to get help

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Sharon: I am seeking to map this to agenda items that are specific to the WAI Adapt task force

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... and help looks like a great match

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Lionel_Wolberger: This aligns strongly as well with the new 3.2.6 Consistent Help (A) in WCAG 2.2

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https://www.w3.org/2023/07/apa-wg-charter

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... examining the Adapt Working Group Charter

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... WAI-Adapt: Help and Support Module

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... provide use cases and a vocabulary of terms that can be used to enhance alternative or supportive content that may be useful for people with disabilities.

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Lionel_Wolberger: I am excited by the standardization of defect reporting

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... the comparison with security that Abhinav made is very relevant

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... this has been a win-win with the security community

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... as incentives are aligned

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... both for the reporter, who can earn a bounty

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... and the company that receives the report, as they have a chance to patch and avoid an attack

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... I can imagine similar virtuous cycle on a11y issue reporting

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... assistive technologies could integrate with such a well-known URL

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.. and submit some record of a problem when a user struggles to complete a task

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Sharon: Having an easy and common way to get support would be great

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... it has nothing to do with disabilities: everyone has trouble finding support

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... finding a support person more easily is a real curb cut

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Lionel_Wolberger: Note the difference between accepting an issue report, as opposed to making support available

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... which can have a potentially high cost particularly for high volume websites

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/23-adapt-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

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Abhinav: Happy to present the crux of the idea

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... it is very extensible and can likely support anything we decide on

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zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been Lionel_Wolberger, Abhinav, Sharon, Roy

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/23-adapt-minutes.html Zakim

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I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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