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16:49:09 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
16:50:24 <janina> Meeting: A11yEdge Teleconference
16:50:36 <janina> Date: 23 Oct 2023
16:50:40 <janina> Chair: Janina
16:50:50 <janina> agenda+Intros (as needed)
16:51:04 <janina> agenda+Capabilities Reorganization Discussion
16:51:14 <janina> agenda+Next Steps: Who, what?
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17:01:32 <stacey> present+
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17:04:06 <Lionel_Wolberger_> gb, Lionel_Wolberger is lwolberg
17:08:35 <janina> topic: Light/Dark Mode Proposal from Daniel
17:09:19 <janina> daniel: Sent proposal in email ...
17:09:32 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
17:09:44 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe+
17:09:55 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: An email from Daniel is received proposing "proposal for a specification for a dark/bright-mode toggle-switch into websites"
17:10:12 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... github link, https://github.com/WICG/proposals/issues/125
17:10:34 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11yedge/2023Oct/0006.html
17:10:57 <janina> Lionel: notes Daniel is looking for a normative W3C spec that includes locked in location
17:11:36 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... he is asking for consistency regarding the location for such a switch
17:14:03 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: A set location would likely not be supported, as 'author proposes and user disposes'
17:14:11 <Lionel_Wolberger_> stacey: what one person needs is not necessarily the need of the many
17:14:17 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... was he asking for browser usage or native app as well
17:14:25 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... native app is a whole other approach, and screen real estate is harder to get at
17:14:29 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... and the device -- the phone -- handles this mode
17:14:33 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: worthy, not sure it requires a normative specification
17:14:34 <janina> present+
17:14:36 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... not even sure how we would get two independent implementations
17:14:40 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... browsers (user-agents) are very hard to get on board
17:14:41 <janina> scribe+
17:15:22 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: It is a fact that edge technologies are doing light/dark mode
17:15:42 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: certainly a capability or feature that an edge technology can support
17:16:14 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: We'll invite Daniel to attend to discuss why his move to the 'solution space' (hard coded button in the corner) is likely not the solution
17:16:31 <janina> zakim, next item
17:16:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Intros (as needed) -- taken up [from janina]
17:16:38 <janina> zakim, close this item
17:16:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:16:39 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:16:39 <Zakim> 2. Capabilities Reorganization Discussion [from janina]
17:16:39 <janina> zakim, next item
17:16:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Capabilities Reorganization Discussion -- taken up [from janina]
17:17:32 <janina> Group is looking at sigjam whiteboarding tool for this discussion
17:17:36 <Lionel_Wolberger_> stacey: I will share screen and walk you through how this whiteboard collaboration tool 'FigJam' will work
17:18:59 <janina> Stacy discusses her proposed approach ...
17:19:09 <Lionel_Wolberger_> stacey: Guidelines, Review the capability content.  What does the reader absolutely need to know?
17:19:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... What type of info isn’t needed? Tone–what is the focus for the capabilities? Example below.
17:19:21 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... let's write one idea per sticky
17:22:38 <janina> stacey: is there enough for a conversation?
17:23:32 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger_: Notes white space to separate things usually; also colorized
17:24:00 <janina> stacyeverything is movable, nestable, etc
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17:32:25 <Bev> Hi I'm here now this is Bev C
17:33:44 <Lionel_Wolberger_> https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/#semstruct
17:53:18 <Bev> The edge can remediate
17:57:30 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
17:57:44 <Bev> present+
17:58:23 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: We covered about 9 stickies, and the conversation was really englightening and helpful
17:58:57 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... here are some excerpts, for those who may have trouble logging into the Jam, or using AT on the FigJam
17:59:11 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... "raising awareness to increase access to functionality (need to consider wording as we define what this is)"
17:59:29 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... A principle was proposed, "Design and software development consistently have IMPLIED semantics, by visual layout or page placement, rather than OVERT semantics."
18:00:00 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... we discussed making semantics more overt
18:00:03 <Bev> Stacey shared FigJam
18:00:19 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... "Expose structural semantics (reword?) content is marked up structurally correct and is available to be use we want content to have structural content...
18:00:51 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... (edge can play a role in this by “exposing” those semantics to users in an understandable way to make edits)
18:01:01 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... -- make it easier and clearer for people to understand and use (bridge the gap between people that code and understand vs. those that want a header, as an example, to look how they want it to look in the structure.
18:02:34 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: We will continue with this agenda item next week
18:02:38 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, make minutes
18:02:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Lionel_Wolberger_
18:02:43 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, end meeting
18:02:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been stacey, Lionel_Wolberger_, janina, Bev
18:02:45 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/23-a11yedge-minutes.html Zakim
18:02:53 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger_; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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18:04:21 <Bev> Good bye thank you