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11:59:42 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Joint Meeting
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12:00:58 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:02:13 <xfq> present+ QingAn
12:02:16 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:03:22 <xfq> present+ Martin
12:03:46 <xfq> Chair: Dan_Zhou
12:05:43 <xiaoqian> xfq: lifecycle #22, raised by Huawei, what are we going to do with it?
12:06:01 <xiaoqian> dan: shall we ask Zitao about it? to get an update
12:06:09 <xiaoqian> martin: I'll follow up
12:06:49 <xiaoqian> xfq: TAG review, it's still open
12:07:11 <xfq> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:07:42 <xiaoqian> topic: Manifest
12:08:46 <xfq> I proposed some text in https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/68
12:08:53 <xiaoqian> martin: issue #67, it's a proposal to include a new normative requirement, please look at the changes in Pull #68
12:09:03 <xfq> s|I proposed some text in https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/68||
12:09:56 <xiaoqian> ... the UA need to remind the users for their preference, and grand permission
12:10:37 <xiaoqian> dan: xfq or Martin, could you merge this pull request?
12:10:45 <xiaoqian> Martin: will do
12:10:58 <xiaoqian> Dan: I'll double check and approve the changes
12:11:30 <xiaoqian> martin: #57 is to align with "req-permission", proposed by tomayac
12:12:00 <xiaoqian> ... I'll keep an eye on the progress on WebApp Manifest
12:12:22 <xiaoqian> ... it seems important to me, to align with WebApps
12:12:44 <xiaoqian> Martin: #53, it's about the horizontal review
12:12:55 <xiaoqian> ... the checklist looks fine to me
12:13:15 <xiaoqian> ... there are still some issues on I18n
12:13:25 <xiaoqian> ... about localisation
12:13:47 <xiaoqian> ... I joined the discussion in TPAC, no consensus yet so far
12:14:09 <xiaoqian> ... I'd like to see a unified solution
12:14:38 <xiaoqian> ... #52 is also important, relative to Packaging
12:14:59 <xiaoqian> ... we should keep it open
12:15:22 <xiaoqian> ... another issue is about app_id
12:15:33 <xiaoqian> ... but we don't use URL
12:15:49 <xiaoqian> ... I'll follow up
12:16:17 <xiaoqian> Dan: are we going to adopt to this proposal?
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12:16:51 <xiaoqian> Martin: it's good to align with WebApps Manifest, but in MiniApp, id isn't always a URL
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12:17:06 <xiaoqian> ... it can be in some other forms, like domain
12:17:13 <xiaoqian> Dan: understood
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12:17:41 <xiaoqian> Martin: in Android, it can be a domain-separated string
12:18:01 <xiaoqian> ... I'll double check
12:18:07 <xiaoqian> Dan: thank you
12:18:40 <xiaoqian> Martin: we need more information for #19, need more use cases
12:19:06 <xiaoqian> ... happy to write down the proposal if there are more requirements
12:19:23 <xiaoqian> Dan: no problem, I'll provide more use cases and documents
12:20:08 <xiaoqian> Martin: #4 is related to the I18n issue I mentioned before
12:20:17 <xiaoqian> ... pending on a unified solution
12:20:51 <xiaoqian> xfq: same as #5 and #6
12:21:13 <xiaoqian> topic: Packaging
12:22:06 <xiaoqian> Martin: #68, this is definitely something we need to do, I submitted a PR #69
12:22:19 <xiaoqian> ... we can merge it if you agree
12:22:26 <xiaoqian> Dan: agree
12:23:05 <xiaoqian> Martin: #64, there was a discussion during TPAC
12:23:38 <xiaoqian> ... the Isolation WebApp proposals are helpful to us as well
12:24:07 <xiaoqian> ... we talked about the challenging they raised
12:25:00 <xiaoqian> ... we discussed some potential solution, they were fine with it
12:25:22 <xiaoqian> ... it needs some use cases, testing, proof of concepts
12:25:34 <xiaoqian> ... so that can be a unified solution
12:25:49 <xiaoqian> ... does the group agree with this proposal from Baidu?
12:26:06 <xiaoqian> ... we can continue if we all agree
12:26:25 <xiaoqian> ... shall we move ahead with the existing proposal?
12:26:53 <xiaoqian> Dan: I think this modification will be huge
12:27:19 <xiaoqian> Martin: right, we need all the members to look at these changes
12:28:30 <xfq> xiaoqian: perhaps we can do a CfC for both the English and Chinese web communities
12:29:49 <xfq> martin: the rest of the issues depend on the TAG review
12:30:33 <xfq> ... the TAG review is the most important one
12:32:17 <xfq> Topic: Addressing
12:32:37 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-addressing/pull/13
12:32:52 <xfq> Dan_Zhou: I updated the explainer and FAQ
12:32:58 <xfq> ... to match the latest spec
12:33:35 <xfq> ... I removed a section to reduce confusion
12:34:01 <xfq> martin: I'll take a look after the meeting
12:34:58 <xfq> Dan_Zhou: we can close #12 and #9 after merging the PR
12:35:17 <xfq> Topic: Components
12:35:28 <xfq> martin: no update
12:36:17 <xfq> Topic: Implementation status
12:37:02 <xfq> xiaoqian: we had some discussions with plh
12:37:11 <xfq> ... he suggested that we move the specs to CR
12:37:53 <xfq> ... if people are available to implement the specs, they can implement the specs
12:38:14 <xfq> ... this will give people more confidence
12:38:28 <xfq> ... CR means the features are stable
12:38:57 <xfq> ... our priority now is to move the specs to CR
12:40:01 <xfq> ... many specs in other groups are in CR and stable
12:40:25 <xfq> ... do you think we can publish a FPWD for Addressing?
12:40:38 <xfq> Dan_Zhou: I think it's OK
12:40:45 <xfq> ... not sure if others have comments
12:41:00 <xfq> martin: I'll review it as soon as possible
12:41:59 <xfq> xiaoqian: what about other specs, are they OK to move to CR after resolving the TAG's concerns?
12:43:05 <xfq> martin: for manifest, it's something that's feasible
12:43:22 <xfq> ... only minor changes like alignment with other specs like I mentioned before
12:43:32 <xfq> ... the most important spec is Packaging
12:43:43 <xfq> ... it's the most challenging part
12:43:57 <xfq> ... once we solve this part, I think it's feasible to move it to CR
12:44:56 <xfq> ... we can continue discuss online about the issue
12:45:26 <xfq> QingAn: Lifecycle is kind of stable
12:45:36 <xfq> ... it's possible to move it to CR
12:45:58 <xfq> ... we can move it to the next step
12:46:32 <xfq> xiaoqian: do you know if we can get some support from Alibaba or the Ant Group to implement it?
12:46:42 <xfq> Qing: we can have some offline discussion
12:47:06 <xiaoqian> topic: AOB
12:47:24 <xiaoqian> xfq: xiaoqian will take over my role in the MiniApps WG very soon
12:47:43 <xiaoqian> ... I'll be full time working on I18n
12:48:25 <xiaoqian> ... there will still be some intersection
12:49:37 <xiaoqian> topic: next meeting
12:50:04 <xfq> November 23
12:50:33 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
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