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14:55:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), PaulG
14:55:28 <PaulG> zakim, agenda?
14:55:28 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:55:29 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from PaulG]
14:55:52 <PaulG> zakim, clear agenda
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14:56:04 <PaulG> Agenda+ Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements
14:56:18 <PaulG> Agenda+ Pausing Use Cases
14:56:23 <PaulG> Agenda+ Action Items
14:56:32 <PaulG> Agenda+ Github Issues and examples
14:56:39 <PaulG> Agenda+ Other Business
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14:57:59 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 1
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14:59:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), IrfanAli
14:59:47 <IrfanAli> Meeting: Pronunciation Task Force Meeting, Monday Oct 16, 2023
14:59:53 <IrfanAli> agenda?
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15:06:14 <PaulG> zakim, close this time
15:06:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close this time', PaulG
15:06:29 <PaulG> zakim, close item 1
15:06:29 <Zakim> agendum 1, Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements, closed
15:06:30 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:30 <Zakim> 2. Pausing Use Cases [from PaulG]
15:06:44 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 2
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15:06:46 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
15:06:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, IrfanAli
15:07:16 <IrfanAli> PaulG: Alan sent a couple of examples
15:08:26 <PaulG> previous discussions were around making more compelling use case examples for pause/break because that's not currently something that browser/AT vendors have strong will to implement. They report it will be difficult
15:09:44 <PaulG> our top 5 features we need implemented are: lang, phoneme, substitution, say-as, pausing
15:10:46 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/%5BDRAFT%5D-ARIA-Counter-Proposal
15:15:43 <PaulG> the first example deals with semantic structures and how they appear aurally, pausing can help disambiguate the meaning for the user
15:16:21 <PaulG> internet example: I enjoy cooking, my family, and my pets. Without the commas or spontaneous pausing, this sentence sounds horrific.
15:19:40 <PaulG> https://www.thoughtco.com/pause-speech-and-writing-1691492
15:28:19 <PaulG> disambiguation, time for processing...
15:34:23 <PaulG> we may need to make the fraction example more complicated to be about disambiguation. Otherwise it seems more about allowing processing time (like joke telling)
15:34:51 <PaulG> The last example from Dee is about spelling out a word. This example seems more appropriate for say-as.
15:35:21 <PaulG> ...and how content designers will/can use break/pause when say-as isn't available.
15:37:32 <PaulG> IrfanAli: I'll take care of moving the examples to the wiki
15:38:24 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
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15:40:26 <PaulG> https://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-gap-analysis-and-use-cases/#say-as
15:42:41 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
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15:43:07 <PaulG> zakim, close item 4
15:43:07 <Zakim> agendum 4, Github Issues and examples, closed
15:43:08 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:43:08 <Zakim> 5. Other Business [from PaulG]
15:43:10 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
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