IRC log of ixml on 2023-10-03

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Meeting: ixml Group Teleconference

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Date: 3 October 2023

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Chair: Steven

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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/09/05-ixml-minutes

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Oct/0000

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Hmm. I wonder why I am here twice

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Present: Bethan, Norm, John, Michael, Steven

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Michael: Nothing done, even the easy ones!

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ACTION 2023-07-25-a: Norm to create an issue w.r.t. end of line

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normalization: Done

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Norm: All my actions done except publishing the reoprt

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s/reoprt/report/

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John: Done ACTION 2023-07-25-c: JL to redraft his notes on grammar combination

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and send something to the public list.

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John: Done ACTION 2023-09-05-g: John to implement the renaming proposal

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Topic: Status of implementations

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John: Added renaming

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... works fairly well

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... Need to talk about "version" later

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... there are a number of symbols we haven't used, like %

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... we might want to bear in mind that they are available

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Norm: Working on improve,emts

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s/,//

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Topic: Status of testing and test suites

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John: Are there renaming tests?

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We definitely do need tests for renaming.

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ACTION: Norm create tests for renaming

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Topic: Issue #199 Require whitespace between prolog and first rule?

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Michael: It's not ambiguous, but we should do it for consistency

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Steven: So resolved

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ACTION: Steven to make pull request for grammar for space after prolog

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Topic: Issue #197 Remove the Unicode non-character constraint

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Norm: RFC for JSON, and they have a rule that includes non-unicode characters

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"An encoded character is an optionally marked hexadecimal number. It starts with a hash symbol, followed by any number of hexadecimal digits, for example #a0. The digits are interpreted as a number in hexadecimal (error S06) , and the character at that Unicode code-point is used [Unicode]. The number must be within the Unicode code-point range (error S07), and must not denote a Noncharacter or Surrogate code point (error S08)."

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Norm: I'm happy to say that you can't have them in Unicode, and you can't use them.

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Michael: the ixml grammar of the JSON grammar can't then be a simple transcription.

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Steven: We leave the spec as is then.

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ACTION: Norm close issue 197 without changes

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Norm: Should we have an FAQ?

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Michael: A good idea.

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Norm: You could create a range that is expressible, but that includes noncharacters...

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Michael: But the input still can't contain those characters

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Norm: I can live with that

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ACTION: Michael draft a FAQ

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Steven: The spec requires UTF-8 encoding, but doesn't explicitly restrict noncharacters

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Michael: I think that our rules effectively mean that noncharacters are excluded

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Steven: Except exclusions

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... would allow noncharacters

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.... input: ~[]*.

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... input: -~[]*, +'.'.

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Norm: I'd like to see what Michael writes in the FAQ.

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Topic: Issue #189 What are the control characters

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Norm: THis is resolved using character classes. We can close.

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Topic: Issue #181 Non-serializable characters in the input

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s/TH/Th/

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Norm: Has been closed

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... raises error D04

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Topic: Issue #139 Sample grammars for IRIs and URIs

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Steven: Where are we at?

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Michael: Awaiting review

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Steven: On the agenda for next time

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Topic: Issue #192 Normalizing line endings in ixml inputs

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John: Before that. About version

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Topic: Version

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John: Are the version numbers collatable?

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... is there a strict ordering

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s/ing/ing?

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Bethan: It would be good to agree a format

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Norm: I'd rather put off the decision till when we have a versionable number

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Michael: How about "Tokenise on '.', that is a sequence of keys, if a key is a number, then compare numerically, otherwise lexically

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s/lexically/lexically"/

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Bethan: Rather just use numbers

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Michael: Are we the only ones to create a version number?

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Bethan: Yes.

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John: Leave it on the backburner

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Topic: Issue #13 Renaming proposal (for v.Next)

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Steven: Nothing to discuss?

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Norm: Merge?

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All: Yes

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Topic: Issue #192 Normalizing line endings in ixml inputs

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Norm: 4 options.

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... it is a pain

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Michael: I would like our abstraction to be that we are parsing unicode characters, without an abstraction on top of that.

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... normalising default is OK; require it to be disableable

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... I see uses cases for not normalising

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John: So what do I write?

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Steven: I was thinking of U+2028

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... line separator

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Bethan: I like the idea

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... would it be in input anyway

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Michael: Could be

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Michael: We need a written proposal

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Topic: AOB

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Steven: Next meeting in 2 weeks

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John: Regrets

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i/Michael: Nothing done, even the easy ones!/Topic: Actions

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