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Wilco: Working on getting rules approved by AGWG ready for a major publication update, set for next week. 8 rules approved. Adding useful links section and secondary requirements section, so lots of changes coming up
Catherine: No report
Shane: Reading docs and learning
Tom: No report
Kathy: Talking about presenting about ACT - ICT Accessibility testing symoposium, CSUN. If interested in learning about those, let me know. Rule to discuss in outstanding issues.
Suji: Finished annual review of rules. Met with Kathy. Working on doc by next week.
<trevor> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/2089
Trevor: Finished up PR, waiting on secondary requirements, need reapproval. Need approvers. Reviewed some PRs and left comments (role permitted, visible label in name, secondary reqts).
Wilco: Have a number of rules
that will get published Tuesday. Haven't reviewed these in a
year or so. Can't cover ones Helen covered.
... First is Text has enhanced contrast
... Open issue 2068
... I don't think personally it prevents publishing, but are we
okay with moving forward.
... Next one is scrollable content can be reached
... Ready
... Image name is descriptive also ready.
... Menuitem has non-empty accessible name
... Support note may be out of date.
... Could not confirm on Mac and need Windows verification that
this support note issue still exists.
... Daniel will check and confirm
... Orientation of page is not restricted
... Issue 1782
... Tom will tackle
... HTML images contain no text - first and second assumptions
shouldn't refer to 1.4.9
... 1.4.9 does not allow that exemption, which is the different
between 1.4.5 and 1.4.9, so 1.4.9 would not be satisfied
... I'll take this one myself
... Also an issue in the phrasing of the expectation that I'll
work on.
... A few more when Helen is back next week
Wilco: Visible label is part of accessible name
Kathy: I have a draft PR where I pulled in some examples.
<kathy> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/2101/files
Kathy: I pulled in some examples
from the CG, particularly that Dan created. He listed out about
25 different examples and I'm only pulling in a few
... I think that's enough, and are the ones based on what we've
discussed will pass / fail.
... I'll take that out of draft and let people review
Wilco: iframe element has non-empty accessible name
Tom: I thought that was done
Wilco: It's been awhile, so let's
survey again
... Need someone for Form field label is descriptive
... Suji volunteered
... HTML element lang subtab matches language. I'll take that
one.
... ARIA state or properties is permitted
Trevor: You left me some comments
Wilco: The ARIA items
Tom: This issue is open with ARIA WG
Wilco: Inclined to say this is an issue for the ARIA WG and leave it there.
Tom: Hard to move forward with
this since it's potentially a false positive as ARIA has
written it
... We can say this is waiting on ARIA, or we can take it to
the ARIA WG and say this is the best guess at what it should
be.
... Either way we need a response from the ARIA WG, so I don't
think it's wrong to bring it to them.
Wilco: Will make it as Ready for
CFC
... Have a couple more. Anyone else have bandwidth?
Tom: 4e8ab6
Suji: 5effbb
Tom: I have #1910 also on my plate
Wilco: Looking at open PRs
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls
Wilco: 2099. I'm a reviewer.
Trevor. Tom
... 2094. I'm assigned, I'll take
... 2089. Need 1 more. Kathy.
... 2084. New rule. Tom will review also
... 2076. Needs to use the new format.
Kathy: I thought last week we decided secondary wouldn't cover support. I'll look at it.
Wilco: 2064. Has changes
requested
... 2052 and others with changes requested
... 2007. 1 approval, could use someone else to look. No
insignificant.
Todd: I'll look at it
Wilco: 1994. Tom to take another
look
... 1560. Approved. Need to merge.
<trevor> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/539
Trevor: Looking back at 539
PR
... Big change I wanted to talk about today. Inside these
allowed subjective forms, if you recall the guardrails are that
you can do it, but it has to be in a specific template
... As part of these allowed subjective forms, started to state
that you needed the subjectivity in the glossary
... One of conversations was if we can make this more
quantitative
... Changes starts on line 443 example subjective definition to
try this out
... Idea is something that looks like visual headings.
Tom: Seems the first two conditions could be phrased as objective
Trevor: I agree
... I left it a little open, so any logic could be applied. For
instance, could require one characteristic, but one of the
first two or something like that.
... Have to define if this is objective / subjective. If
something is objective, can't use a subjective
definition.
... Reasoning is that we have a more agreed upon definition of
what the subjectivity is.
... Wilco, is this what you were thinking?
Wilco: Yes. I think what might be
difficult, is for things that are not headings. Quotes are
often larger text and differentiated.
... Banner at the top probably meets all of those
... If we want to define this, might need more than just a few
visual characteristics, but also what is not a heading.
... On principle, I like this idea as an example of making the
definitions harder and stronger.
Shane: I like this alot. I also
like the idea of 1 and 2 or 3. I don't think that's
overcomplicated.
... If something doesn't describe the content, seems this
meets, but shouldn't apply
Trevor: That's a good scenario
for me to think though
... One good thing here is that these are not built into the
rule format. If we find a definition is not as good as we
hoped, we can modify the definition.
Kathy: I like the approach. Focusing on this particular example, we're trying to define style, but the last item isn't a style.
Trevor: That's fair. That may bring us back to the discussion of "styled as" and "functions like" may be an argument for merging
Kathy: Seems like you could keep
the first two style and the AND broadly describes.
... I like the function as as alternative
Todd: Looks good to me so far, no specific concerns or objections
Wilco: Trevor, where next?
Trevor: I think I need to think
through Kathy's suggestion. Conversation is poking holes that I
need to think through.
... Such as the negative scenario
Wilco: I do see value in keeping this style separate. WCAG does some similar things.
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