IRC log of miniapp on 2023-08-24

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Meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Joint Meeting
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QingAn: what's the status of the FO for the charter?
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xfq: I pinged chaals already, no reply yet
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... I'll keep writing to him until TPAC
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... or we can find him in TPAC
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QingAn: our charter expires, right?
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xfq: it's not a problem unless we want to publish specs
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QingAn: I think we already addressed all the issues Chaals raised
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xfq: we wanted some clarification on the issues he mentioned
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... one on the deliverables, another is about the wide review
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... we removed the components according to his advice
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... we need an approval from him anyway
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s/another/the other
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QingAn: how about the reply to the TAG comments?
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xfq: waiting for a review from Martin
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zitao: I'll ping Martin
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topic: Status of the specs
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QingAn: not much progress on Lifecycle
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xfq: we need to close all the issues before moving to CG
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s/CG/CR
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... please close #22
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QingAn: this is not included in our scope
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zitao: I'll try to ping the guys who raised the issue
12:12:32 [xiaoqian]
QingAn: yes, please, I already explained the situation to they in a f2f meeting
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zitao: Manifest and Package, no much update
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... looking into the security issue raised by the TAG
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... if the comment gets accepted, we should update the spec accordingly
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... waiting for the suggestion from the TAG
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xfq: there are some other issues, specially the one about sessions
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... and the one about "req_permission"
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zitao: I will talk to Martin and work on these two
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xfq: sub-package is relevant to the TAG comments
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zitao: QingAn and Dan, please take a look at the proposal of sub-package and tell us if the industry can accept it
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... it's an important part in our product
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Dan: is it already inside the spec?
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zitao: not yet, waiting for your comments
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Dan: we support streaming in downloading, but not sure if it's in rendering
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... sounds like a right time to add it to the spec
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zitao: I remember someone in the community talked about a use case for streaming media MiniApp
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Dan: sub-package is widely adopted by the major vendors, streaming needs more discussion
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zitao: good idea
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xfq: sub-package already has impact on the manifest spec
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zitao: indeed
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zitao: addressing is a very important spec
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Dan: yes, once the new charter gets approved, we can publish a FPWD for addressing
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... #13 can be merged
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zitao: give me a ping anytime you need my review :)
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zitao: Components, Martin updated the spec, perhaps he can give an update in the next meeting
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topic: TPAC agenda
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xiaoqian: if we want to publish CR, we should have a test suite
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... even if it's not complete
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... and don't have impls
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https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/tree/master/appmanifest
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Dan: let us talk with our own product team and come up with a plan later
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xiaoqian: after entering CR, we can consider implementing the specs
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... because it's stable enough
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... web app manifest will be discussed in TPAC
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QingAn: I might only be able to attend remotely this time
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zitao: me too
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