IRC log of i18n on 2023-08-24

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Meeting: Internationalization WG Teleconference
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c5b143d1-0a5b-4adb-8d60-0f5f9bfe5a41/20230824T150000/
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clear agenda
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agenda+ Agenda Review
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agenda+ Action Items
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agenda+ Info Share
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agenda+ RADAR Review
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agenda+ Pending Issue Review
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
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agenda+ I18N+CSS
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agenda+ WCAG 2.2
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agenda+ name-like fields
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agenda+ AOB?
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present+ Addison, Fuqiao, Atsushi
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present+ JcK
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present+ JcK
14:05:46 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:50 [addison]
agenda?
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agenda+ TPAC
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
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scribe: xfq
14:06:45 [addison]
gb, list open actions
14:06:45 [gb]
Found actions in w3c/i18n-actions: #35, #34, #33, #32, #18, #16, #15, #13, #12, #11, #10, #9, #8, #7, #6, #5, #4
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#35?
14:06:56 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/35 -> Action 35 make the edits of CSS #5478 (on fantasai) due 2023-08-30
14:07:05 [addison]
#34?
14:07:06 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/34 -> Action 34 write summary email showing path forward for WCAG 2.2 (on aphillips) due 2023-08-24
14:07:22 [addison]
close #34
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#33?
14:07:25 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:07:28 [gb]
Closed -> action #34 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/34
14:07:57 [addison]
#32?
14:07:57 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/32 -> Action 32 Approve the character markup PR (on fantasai) due 2023-08-17
14:07:59 [xfq]
addison: started #34
14:08:54 [addison]
#18?
14:08:55 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/18 -> Action 18 Have informal explanation sessions about counter style translations with csswg members (on frivoal, fantasai)
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#16?
14:09:03 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/16 -> Action 16 Keep track of line-breaking in Korean for i18n-discuss#11 (on aphillips)
14:09:13 [addison]
#15?
14:09:13 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/15 -> Action 15 Get character styling into w3c stylesheet (on aphillips)
14:09:17 [xfq]
xfq: fantasai will look at the latest revision of the character markup PR
14:09:21 [addison]
#13?
14:09:22 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/13 -> Action 13 Make sure generics are comfortable to read in the content language (on frivoal)
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#12?
14:09:30 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/12 -> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips)
14:09:40 [addison]
#11?
14:09:40 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/11 -> Action 11 Triage all css properties to determine which are logical, physical, or na by default (on frivoal)
14:09:46 [addison]
#10?
14:09:47 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/10 -> Action 10 With florian triage richard's article into a list of potential generics (on fantasai)
14:09:53 [addison]
#9?
14:09:53 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/9 -> Action 9 Follow up with ecma-402 on next steps and start tc39 discussion (on aphillips)
14:09:59 [addison]
#8
14:09:59 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Create pr against canvas formatted text (on aphillips)
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#7?
14:10:08 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github)
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#6
14:10:19 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/6 -> Action 6 Check if unicode describes backwards deletion clearly and develop doc if not (on aphillips)
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https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-backwards-deletion.en.html
14:10:44 [xfq]
\o/
14:10:58 [xfq]
addison: this is ready for review
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#5
14:11:06 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/5 -> Action 5 Check into how to list questions at the top of a digest and/or improve lang enablement communications (on r12a)
14:11:17 [xfq]
addison: please send comments
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#4
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https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a)
14:11:36 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:11:36 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
14:12:03 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:12:14 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
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addison: no new incoming requests
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agenda?
14:13:12 [xfq]
... no items in review
14:13:26 [xfq]
xfq: First Public Working Draft published: Catalan Gap Analysis
14:13:36 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 7
14:13:36 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- WCAG 2.2 -- taken up [from agendabot]
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/24-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:14:51 [xfq]
addison: I don't know if any of you guys know what the status of the formal objections from Japan
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... or from China
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action: addison to follow up with murata-san about wcag status
14:15:25 [gb]
Created -> action #36 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/36
14:15:25 [xfq]
... I'd like to avoid a formal objection if it's not going to make sense to have one
14:16:03 [xfq]
xfq: they're already sending PRs, we'll see how it goes
14:16:18 [xfq]
addison: I think we need to probably formally review them
14:16:32 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 6
14:16:32 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- I18N+CSS -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:50 [xfq]
https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-i18n-minutes.html
14:17:37 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8442
14:17:39 [addison]
xfq: css working on proposal which will help with logical properties
14:18:12 [addison]
xfq: css issue ^^ contains a mapping from kana to small kana. they want to upstream it to unicode
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addison: I don't think they have a page that says here's the mapping
14:19:55 [xfq]
... but it might be in normalization
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... because you also got the narrow to wide kana
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... you have a whole bunch of that stuff
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action: xfq to investigate the small kana mapping and what if anything to recommend to unicode
14:21:05 [gb]
Created -> action #37 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/37
14:21:39 [addison]
xfq: should develop an agenda for tpac for joint meeting
14:21:56 [addison]
... don't have an agenda list specifically for tpac
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action: addison to propose i18n+css agenda for tpac
14:22:25 [gb]
Created -> action #38 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/38
14:23:09 [addison]
xfq: discussed character markup for styling. fantasai disagreed that there should not be a space between the code point and character name
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... she prefers a space
14:23:39 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5478
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scribe+ addison
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zakim, take up agendum 8
14:24:37 [Zakim]
agendum 8 -- name-like fields -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:24:51 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1252#issuecomment-1686366538
14:25:24 [xfq]
addison: we made a comment sometime ago about they have natural language text fields
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... name and description
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... and our comment on them was "you should have language and direction"
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... "you should probably allow fore more than one of them"
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... because people might want to localize the credential rather than having a separate credential in every language on earth
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... Manu added some thing on how to use these fields
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... but didn't mention localization
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... so I made this comment and he addressed it
14:27:19 [addison]
action: addison to develop best practice guidelines for name-like fields
14:27:21 [gb]
Created -> action #39 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/39
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agenda?
14:27:36 [addison]
zakim, take up agendum 10
14:27:36 [Zakim]
agendum 10 -- TPAC -- taken up [from addison]
14:27:52 [addison]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/wiki/2023-TPAC-Planning
14:28:04 [xfq]
addison: I don't have a lot in our TPAC calendar yet
14:28:28 [xfq]
... I do need to go back and add a couple of things and I have an email to respond to from one of the groups
14:28:42 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/webappswg/issues/91#issuecomment-1646281939
14:29:45 [addison]
action: addison to ping webappswg about a joint time on monday/tuesday at tpac
14:29:48 [gb]
Created -> action #40 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/40
14:29:57 [xfq]
https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/webapps/
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zakim, take up agendum 9
14:30:47 [Zakim]
agendum 9 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:31:00 [xfq]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/52
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https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/35
14:33:43 [xfq]
addison: you're better off quoting them than forking
14:33:47 [xfq]
xfq: OK
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... I'll update the PR
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
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rrsagent, make minutes
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14:39:59 [addison]
zakim, bye
14:39:59 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Fuqiao, Atsushi, JcK
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