IRC log of apa on 2023-08-23

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk

13:57:04 [matatk]

meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

13:57:05 [matatk]

Chair: Matthew

13:57:05 [matatk]

agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ TPAC 2023 planning - including APA member homework! - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023

13:57:08 [matatk]

agenda+ New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

13:57:19 [matatk]

agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

13:57:22 [matatk]

agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al

13:57:24 [matatk]

agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

13:57:27 [matatk]

agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ Be done

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agenda?

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present+

14:02:45 [matatk]

present+

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scribe: Gottfried

14:04:02 [Gottfried]

present+

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agenda?

14:04:18 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

14:04:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]

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14:05:04 [Gottfried]

Gottfried: AAATE conference in Paris next week

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… Workshop on a11y in HE, can be attended online: https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?langId=en&catId=1612&eventsId=2112&furtherEvents=yes

14:05:36 [Alisa_Smith]

present+

14:05:43 [Gottfried]

... Registration required

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present+

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 planning - including APA member homework! - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:06:19 [janina]

present+

14:06:21 [Roy]

present+

14:06:49 [Gottfried]

matatk: Updating wiki with upcoming meetings.

14:07:21 [matatk]

APA TPAC 2023 wiki page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023

14:08:00 [Gottfried]

... Section at top of the page: homework to be done

14:08:20 [matatk]

ARIA meeting on Notifications: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#ARIA

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present+

14:09:12 [Lionel_Wolberger]

agenda?

14:09:19 [Gottfried]

... ARIA has a proposal on SR-compatible notifications, feedback requested. Offline doc can be requested by matatk.

14:10:34 [Gottfried]

... Want to make sure that users beyond SR are accommodated (e.g. Coga).

14:10:47 [Gottfried]

... Think about use cases that are not covered.

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14:11:26 [Lionel_Wolberger]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

14:11:36 [Gottfried]

... Discussion board on GitHub.

14:11:57 [matatk]

CSS specs with accessibility considerations: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#CSS

14:12:07 [mike_beganyi]

present+

14:12:48 [Gottfried]

... Many W3C groups have just published work. So they are now looking at long-term plans.

14:13:14 [Gottfried]

... For CSS, please review the specs at https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#CSS

14:13:38 [Gottfried]

... CSS folks know about accessibility quite well.

14:14:03 [Gottfried]

... At TPAC, we want to make sure we are on the same page.

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Zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:15:21 [Gottfried]

No new charter

14:15:26 [Gottfried]

zakim, close this item

14:15:26 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

14:15:27 [Zakim]

I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues [from matatk]

14:15:28 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

14:16:19 [Gottfried]

present?

14:16:41 [matatk]

Open spec review requests: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aw3c%2Fa11y-request+state%3Aopen+type%3Aissue&type=issues

14:16:48 [matatk]

zakim, who's here?

14:16:48 [Zakim]

Present: Nichole, matatk, Gottfried, Alisa_Smith, Fredrik, janina, Roy, Lionel_Wolberger, mike_beganyi

14:16:50 [Zakim]

On IRC I see mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger, janina, Fredrik, Alisa_Smith, PaulG, Gottfried, Nichole, RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, shawn, Roy, gb, imlostlmao, gonzu_15, M2cshkpcgrp,

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... ada, Rachael, tink, agendabot, ZoeBijl, slightlyoff, cwilso, jcraig

14:16:51 [PaulG]

present+

14:20:06 [matatk]

DAPT review request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/66

14:20:50 [Gottfried]

Janina: Will probably work on this on Thu/Fri.

14:21:25 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]

14:21:39 [Roy]

subtopic: Should <dir> behave like a list element?

14:21:40 [Roy]

- issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9296

14:22:07 [Gottfried]

Roy: Related to ARIA wg.

14:22:47 [Gottfried]

matatk: We had a previous discussion on this.

14:22:48 [matatk]

Per our meta-discussion, we decided we don't need to do anything for this one: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/161

14:23:39 [Roy]

subtopic: Consider allowing <hr> within list elements (ol, ul, menu)

14:23:40 [Roy]

- issue: https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9126

14:23:59 [Gottfried]

Roy: Also related to ARIA wg.

14:24:11 [Gottfried]

matatk: I have a comment on this.

14:24:37 [Gottfried]

... Coga was in favor of my comment.

14:24:53 [matatk]

meta/tracking issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/158

14:25:17 [Gottfried]

... I will post the comment resulting from our discussion.

14:28:43 [Gottfried]

matatk: ... Issue assigned to me.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]

14:28:57 [Gottfried]

Nothing new here

14:29:01 [Gottfried]

zakim, close this item

14:29:01 [Zakim]

agendum 6 closed

14:29:02 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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7. CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from matatk]

14:29:04 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

14:29:27 [Gottfried]

PaulG: Nothing new

14:29:31 [Gottfried]

zakim, close this item

14:29:31 [Zakim]

agendum 7 closed

14:29:32 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:29:32 [Zakim]

8. Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al [from matatk]

14:29:33 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al -- taken up [from matatk]

14:30:00 [matatk]

https://github.com/search?q=label%3Aaction+repo%3Aw3c%2Faac-registry+repo%3Aw3c%2Fadapt+repo%3Aw3c%2Fapa+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcaptcha-accessibility+repo%3Aw3c%2Fcoga+repo%3Aw3c%2Fctaur+repo%3Aw3c%2Ffast+repo%3Aw3c%2Fmaturity-model+repo%3Aw3c%2Fmedia-accessibility-reqs+repo%3Aw3c%2Fnaur+repo%3Aw3c%2Fpronunciation+repo%3Aw3c%2Fraur+repo%3Aw3c%2Frqtf+repo%3Aw3c%2Fsaur+repo%3Aw3c%2Fxaur+state%3Aopen+type%3Aissue&type=issu

14:30:06 [matatk]

es

14:30:59 [Gottfried]

matatk: You have to concat the two messages to build the real URL.

14:31:55 [Gottfried]

matatk: There is a spec for providing well-known URLs

14:31:58 [Gottfried]

... with password

14:32:22 [matatk]

Well-known URIs: https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/231

14:33:15 [Gottfried]

.... Original purpose: Let your password manager update your password

14:33:25 [Gottfried]

... Can be used for a11y purposes as well.

14:33:47 [janina]

q+

14:34:17 [Gottfried]

... A user might not be able to navigate the page for changing the password, but could still use this URL.

14:35:24 [Gottfried]

janina: IETF has a spec for well-known URIs, and a registry for them.

14:36:14 [Gottfried]

... Came out of WAI coordination group.

14:39:50 [matatk]

Your assigned GitHub issues: https://github.com/issues/assigned

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zakim, next item

14:40:04 [Zakim]

I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried

14:40:07 [matatk]

ack janina

14:40:12 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]

14:40:27 [Gottfried]

matatk: Can skip for now

14:40:32 [Gottfried]

zakim, close this item

14:40:32 [Zakim]

agendum 9 closed

14:40:33 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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10. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]

14:40:35 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]

14:41:19 [Gottfried]

subtopic: Maturity

14:41:39 [Gottfried]

janina: Updating a glitch on a published doc.

14:42:01 [Gottfried]

... Can't see where the pull request is

14:42:06 [Gottfried]

Roy: Will check.

14:43:01 [Gottfried]

... Seems already fixed.

14:43:26 [Gottfried]

... Revised working draft to come

14:43:33 [matatk]

q+

14:44:02 [matatk]

ack me

14:44:38 [Gottfried]

matatk: We talked about having a maturity model break-out at TPAC.

14:44:51 [Gottfried]

... Do we need to help the facilitators?

14:45:29 [Gottfried]

janina: It is going. Intro why we need this. Panel on companies who have prototyped with the W3C MM.

14:46:03 [Gottfried]

matatk: Break-outs are on Wed.

14:46:22 [Gottfried]

... There are also lightning talks: super-quick presentations (3+2min)

14:47:03 [Gottfried]

... Should we also propose a lightning talk for MM?

14:47:03 [Gottfried]

janina: Good idea. I will discuss this in the call next hour.

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14:47:18 [Gottfried]

... Useful to show uptake of the work we do.

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subtopic: RQTF

14:48:06 [Gottfried]

janina: Picking up some new assignments (well-known URLs is one example).

14:48:50 [Gottfried]

... Tighter coordination between WCAG3 work and research findings needed for their work.

14:49:28 [Gottfried]

... Anybody interested in contrast requirements?

14:51:13 [Gottfried]

subtopic: Pronunciation

14:51:43 [Gottfried]

matatk: Getting feedback from manufacturers. Pursuing industry consensus.

14:51:54 [Gottfried]

subtopic: FAST

14:52:43 [Gottfried]

matatk: Michael handed the work over to Frederik. At TPAC, some ice-breaking work could be done for FAST.

14:52:53 [Gottfried]

... We should consider a lightning talk for FAST.

14:53:08 [Gottfried]

... Still arranging for a time to meet for FAST wg at TPAC.

14:53:42 [Gottfried]

zakim, next item

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agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]

14:54:44 [Gottfried]

(nothing to add)

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zakim, next item

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agendum 12 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]

14:55:27 [Gottfried]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Nichole, matatk, Gottfried, Alisa_Smith, Fredrik, janina, Roy, Lionel_Wolberger, mike_beganyi, PaulG

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/23-apa-minutes.html Gottfried

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