IRC log of wcag3-motion on 2023-07-31
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/07/31-wcag3-motion-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Rain
- 12:59:16 [Rain]
- agenda+ Review of existing materials
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- agenda+ Determine the user stories and functional needs we intend to cover
- 12:59:27 [Eric_hind_]
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- agenda+ Preview what's next
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- chair: Rain
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- scribe+ Eric_hind
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- present+
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- New scratchpad: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jCOE4cO68V-QUiZEhJNkrQydNmW71ljaCGGu2Zmnlok/edit
- 13:02:55 [Eric_hind__]
- present+
- 13:03:57 [Makoto]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1 -- Review of existing materials -- taken up [from Rain]
- 13:07:49 [Eric_hind]
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- Rain: Reviewed existing Criteria 2.3.3 (Animation from Interactions) around Benefits
- 13:13:54 [alastairc]
- q+ to say that this is from before the SC, around 2016
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- ack alastairc
- 13:14:03 [Zakim]
- alastairc, you wanted to say that this is from before the SC, around 2016
- 13:14:33 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Reviewed Wiki page: prior research, relationship to SC 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide, vestibular disorders, etc.
- 13:16:21 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Reviewed 2.2 to 3.0 Mapping document (2.3.3 Animations from Interactions) as well as Categorization Exercise 2 Aug XLSX sheet.
- 13:18:27 [alastairc]
- q+ to ask if anyone found anything outside of flashing / vestibular / distraction scenarios that we should include?
- 13:18:40 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Reviewed COGA task force list, Making Content Usable. (also linked as resource from scratchpad). Includes some use case/personas
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- q?
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- ack alastairc
- 13:18:58 [Zakim]
- alastairc, you wanted to ask if anyone found anything outside of flashing / vestibular / distraction scenarios that we should include?
- 13:20:37 [Eric_hind]
- Alastair asks: Are there core issues outside of main three? (Pause, Animation, 3 flashes)?
- 13:21:50 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Add Proposal: Overwhelm, EF (Executive Function) shut-down
- 13:22:15 [Eric_hind]
- q+
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- ack Eric_hind
- 13:22:55 [alastairc]
- q+ to ask how to differentiate from the pause/stop/hide?
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- ack alastairc
- 13:23:08 [Zakim]
- alastairc, you wanted to ask how to differentiate from the pause/stop/hide?
- 13:23:55 [murray_moss]
- q+
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- ack murray_moss
- 13:26:34 [Eric_hind]
- Murray: we should also consider other sensory kinds of overload; audio?
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- q?
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- zakim, take up item 2
- 13:27:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Determine the user stories and functional needs we intend to cover -- taken up [from Rain]
- 13:31:14 [alastairc]
- q+
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- ack alastairc
- 13:31:23 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Add proposal: Distraction; including list of contributing components (such as working memory), user flow and outcomes. Should Working memory be a thing unto itself?
- 13:32:16 [jedi]
- q+ to suggest WHO ICF (maybe?)
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- ack jedi
- 13:32:34 [Zakim]
- jedi, you wanted to suggest WHO ICF (maybe?)
- 13:33:42 [alastairc]
- q+ to mention https://w3c.github.io/fast/
- 13:35:26 [Eric_hind]
- Jedi: Fatigue, Vestibular Disorders are unique items in WHO ICF. ICF could be a reference
- 13:35:55 [Rain]
- ack alastairc
- 13:35:55 [Zakim]
- alastairc, you wanted to mention https://w3c.github.io/fast/
- 13:36:55 [alastairc]
- But I haven't seen anything else to bring in scope, which is good :-)
- 13:37:16 [Eric_hind]
- Alastair: W3C has 'w3c.github.io/fast' in digital technology as a complimentary reference to WHO ICF as well
- 13:39:32 [alastairc]
- q+
- 13:39:39 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: reviewed Jedi's motion-induced (human motion) triggers, should these be triggers?
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- ack alastairc
- 13:43:09 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: What would triggers look like? (discussion)
- 13:45:25 [murray_moss]
- q+
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- ack murray_moss
- 13:48:30 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Updated "What might the various triggers look like?" in scratchpad
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- Task 1: review WHO ICF & W3C FAST to make sure that we haven't missed any categorizations, functional needs, and triggers identified in those documents
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- Task 2: review Categorization mapping exercise with WC2.xSC to make sure we have missed any ... (see above) .... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozuzzJWfGI_-oIFcGNLyg-WRfYXw89-z/edit#gid=85670843
- 13:51:53 [jedi]
- q+ on take task 1
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- ack Jedi
- 13:52:03 [Zakim]
- jedi, you wanted to comment on take task 1
- 13:52:39 [Rain]
- Task four: take our brainstorm and turn it into a nice list of functional needs
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- Task three: take on our brainstorm and turn it into user stories
- 13:53:21 [Makoto]
- Let me take Task 2
- 13:53:38 [Eric_hind]
- Eric will take any task?
- 13:55:36 [Eric_hind]
- Rain: Will do a bit of reorg of the scratchpad to allow the tasks to be clearly marked.
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- q?
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- Preview what's next -- taken up [from Rain]
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- We split up tasks above, took up item late
- 13:57:32 [alastairc]
- Is it the user-needs that I should be doing? (Rather than user-stories?) https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RxbC8hOB6wvX1EisJzbYezvJXe0rGgDPvgUiBGCUw6Q/edit#slide=id.g2175fb9d3cf_1_149
- 13:58:11 [Rain]
- Those are the functional needs
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- I'll send user story examples (more related to trigger) -- "person with doing x experiences y"
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- RRSAgent: generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/31-wcag3-motion-minutes.html Rain
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/31-wcag3-motion-minutes.html Rain
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been Rain, alastairc, Eric_hind__, Makoto, jedi, murray_moss
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/31-wcag3-motion-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, Rain; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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