IRC log of apa on 2023-07-26

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk

13:36:03 [matatk]

title: APA Weekly Teleconference

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Chair: Matthew

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023

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agenda+ New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

13:36:15 [matatk]

agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

13:36:18 [matatk]

agenda+ New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

13:36:20 [matatk]

agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

13:36:23 [matatk]

agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al

13:36:25 [matatk]

agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

13:36:28 [matatk]

agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

13:36:31 [matatk]

agenda+ Other Business

13:36:33 [matatk]

agenda+ Be done

13:36:33 [matatk]

zakim, who's here?

13:36:34 [Zakim]

Present: (no one)

13:36:34 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Roy, janina, gb, Rachael, tink, agendabot, ZoeBijl, ada, slightlyoff, cwilso, Github, imlostlmao, M2cshkpcgrp, gonzu_15, Mike5Matrix,

13:36:34 [Zakim]

... archivematrixorgfaq, jcraig

13:36:37 [matatk]

present+

13:36:38 [matatk]

zakim, who's here?

13:36:38 [Zakim]

Present: matatk

13:36:41 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Roy, janina, gb, Rachael, tink, agendabot, ZoeBijl, ada, slightlyoff, cwilso, Github, imlostlmao, M2cshkpcgrp, gonzu_15, Mike5Matrix,

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... archivematrixorgfaq, jcraig

13:36:41 [matatk]

agenda?

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13:50:58 [janina]

present+

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present+

14:01:16 [Roy]

present+

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agenda?

14:04:03 [IrfanA]

present+

14:04:40 [janina]

scribe+

14:05:10 [matatk]

zakim, take up item 7

14:05:10 [Zakim]

agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

14:05:27 [janina]

PaulG: CSS met in person, and no published minutes yet

14:05:33 [janina]

PaulG: I wasn't able to attend

14:05:46 [janina]

PaulG: believe discussion was mostly apis we wouldn't be concerned about

14:05:57 [janina]

PaulG: Will catch up when I can

14:08:10 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

14:08:10 [Zakim]

agendum 7 closed

14:08:10 [Zakim]

I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from matatk]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]

14:08:31 [janina]

matatk: Don't believe we have announcements?

14:08:56 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

14:08:56 [Zakim]

agendum 1 closed

14:08:57 [matatk]

zakim, next item

14:08:58 [Zakim]

I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 [from matatk]

14:08:58 [Zakim]

agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:09:18 [janina]

matatk: Stalled a bit; still waiting from TAG and several groups on timing

14:09:34 [janina]

matatk: Difficulty with conflicting conference for some groups we're meeting with

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matatk: We're following up as best we can

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matatk: Still need to ask from ARIA?

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matatk: Web Apps we should also ask

14:11:28 [janina]

matatk: Was some question from Pronunciation on another ARIA mtg; but we need a good reason for another mtg, because we're not going their direction

14:12:14 [janina]

PaulG: my attraction was reusable tokens; but more development would be needed to meed our reqs

14:12:27 [matatk]

s/Web Apps we should also ask/WebAppSec we should also ask (re Adapt)/

14:12:44 [janina]

PaulG: I think we get the basic finalized then return for elaboration in a 1.x

14:14:01 [janina]

PaulG: would love to hear from the majors still

14:16:51 [janina]

matatk: Believe the direction Pronunciation is going in seems right

14:17:06 [janina]

matatk: Just don't want to have to repeat a dev cycle if the majors have issues

14:17:42 [janina]

PaulG: We're still stuck on "html should b authorable by hand"

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[discussion of some of the conundra]

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matatk: Anything we can do during TPAC, we should be ready

14:22:15 [janina]

PaulG: May be helpful to game-out ssml vs json with whatwg at TPAC

14:22:26 [janina]

PaulG: what will happen if ...

14:22:38 [matatk]

Updated agenda for WHATWG meeting (need to request): https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#WHATWG_.2860_mins.29

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]

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agenda?

14:25:58 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 3 closed

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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues [from matatk]

14:27:00 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 6

14:27:00 [Zakim]

agendum 6, New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped

14:27:13 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 9

14:27:13 [Zakim]

agendum 9, Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned, dropped

14:27:17 [matatk]

zakim, next

14:27:17 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'next', matatk

14:27:20 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

14:28:58 [Roy]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jun/0019.html

14:29:11 [janina]

matatk: Notes comment from Lionel -- link above

14:30:02 [janina]

matatk: Is FPWD, so we can park

14:30:46 [matatk]

We have 3 VC specs to review (explicitly requested):

14:30:48 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/61

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https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/64

14:31:04 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/65

14:32:20 [matatk]

subtopic: Verifiable Credential Data Integrity (and vc-di-eddsa and vc-di-ecdsa) 2023-05-27 -> 2023-07-31 #61

14:32:23 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/61

14:33:15 [janina]

matatk: expect no a11y, though privacy; suggest we approve

14:33:48 [janina]

PaulG: as long as mechanisa are transparent, cert window needs to be readable

14:34:41 [janina]

matatk: good point; ua considerations arising from this; none in the doc; may be out of scope for this doc

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matatk: Notes two subordinate specs

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matatk: So we sign off on 61

14:36:26 [matatk]

subtopic: Verifiable Credentials JSON Schema Specification 2023-06-13 #64

14:36:28 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/64

14:36:59 [janina]

matatk: might be user related needed? so we might expect to see in schema

14:39:00 [janina]

matatk: This is a thin wrapper on the main spec

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matatk: Does have A11y Considerations

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matatk: Tells implementrs to be mindful -- nice!

14:40:52 [janina]

matatk: link to VC Data spec also has Considerations

14:41:18 [janina]

matatk: We signoff on 64 with our thanks for a11y considerations

14:41:47 [matatk]

subtopic: Verifiable Credentials Data Model v2.0 2021-06-15 #65

14:41:51 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/65

14:42:09 [janina]

matatk: Compliment of 64; we're fine

14:42:23 [janina]

matatk: We sign off here as well

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agenda?

14:45:32 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

14:45:32 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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5. A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]

14:45:44 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 5

14:45:44 [Zakim]

agendum 5, A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped

14:45:46 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 8

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agendum 8, Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al, dropped

14:45:49 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]

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subtopic: RQTF

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scribe+

14:46:36 [matatk]

janina: COGA has been reviewing CTAUR, for which RQTF is very grateful. I asked Lisa to provide a pointer to COGA's in-process review.

14:46:42 [janina]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jul/0024.h

14:47:24 [matatk]

janina: There's progress, but there's also some things missing. Process: they're not using Google Docs comments, to it's not clear when the comment ends.

14:49:09 [matatk]

janina: We found a lot of good, actionable feedback. There were also some things that were out-of-scope for CTAUR. Also we've not had any feedback about GitHub (we are specifically interetsed in that, as W3C uses it).

14:49:21 [matatk]

janina: There are non-web UIs to GitHub (e.g. gh CLI)

14:50:16 [matatk]

janina: We envisage a scenario in which everyone has a tool _they_ can use to interface with a common environment. Would be good to know what COGA finds with the other tools, so people can find something that works for them.

14:56:45 [matatk]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:56:46 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-apa-minutes.html matatk

14:58:40 [janina]

zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, PaulG, Roy, IrfanA

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-apa-minutes.html Zakim

14:58:49 [Zakim]

I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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Zakim has left #apa

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rrsagent, bye

15:00:15 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items