13:37:41 RRSAgent has joined #wpwg 13:37:45 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/07/20-wpwg-irc 13:37:47 Meeting: Web Payments Working Group 13:37:58 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20230720 13:38:02 Scribe: Ian 13:49:24 agenda+ WPWG Charter update 13:49:32 agenda+ SPC Interop Roadmap 13:49:36 agenda+ TPAC agenda 13:49:39 agenda+ Next meeting 13:49:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/20-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 13:55:11 Sue has joined #wpwg 13:56:35 present+ 13:56:38 present+ Sue_Koomen 13:57:31 present+ Franck_Delache 13:58:40 fdelache has joined #wpwg 13:58:59 present+ Holger_Kunkat 13:59:06 present+ Jeff_Owenson 13:59:30 benoit has joined #wpwg 14:00:00 present+ 14:00:14 present+ Fahad_Saleem 14:00:28 present+ Rouslan_Solomakhin 14:01:19 present+ Steve_Cole 14:01:35 present+ Doug_Fisher 14:01:35 present+ Gustavo_Kok 14:01:37 present+ Ryan_Watkins 14:01:47 present+ Anne_Pouillard 14:02:05 SuzieAS has joined #wpwg 14:02:23 present+ Sameer_Tare 14:02:39 present+ Nick_Telford-Reed 14:02:51 present+ Bastien_Latge 14:02:59 present+ Jean-Luc_di_Manno 14:03:09 Anne has joined #wpwg 14:03:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/20-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:03:49 zakim, who's here? 14:03:49 Present: Ian, Sue_Koomen, Franck_Delache, Holger_Kunkat, Jeff_Owenson, benoit, Fahad_Saleem, Rouslan_Solomakhin, Steve_Cole, Doug_Fisher, Gustavo_Kok, Ryan_Watkins, Anne_Pouillard, 14:03:49 ... Sameer_Tare, Nick_Telford-Reed, Bastien_Latge, Jean-Luc_di_Manno 14:03:49 On IRC I see Anne, SuzieAS, benoit, fdelache, Sue, RRSAgent, Zakim, pea1358, canton_, dlehn, Dongwoo, smcgruer_[EST], nicktr, wanderview, hadleybeeman, hober, ljharb, tobie, 14:03:49 ... rbyers, slightlyoff, sexymummy69, Github, npd, imlostlmao, TimCappalli, Ian, weiler 14:03:49 present+ Stephen_McGruer 14:04:03 Bastien_ has joined #WPWG 14:04:07 Present+ 14:04:20 Doug_F has joined #wpwg 14:04:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/20-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:05:00 present+ Tony_England 14:05:09 present+ Suzie_Annezo-Sebire 14:05:13 zakim, take up item 1 14:05:13 agendum 1 -- WPWG Charter update -- taken up [from Ian] 14:05:25 JeanLuc has joined #WPWG 14:05:33 scribe: ian, nicktr 14:05:37 gkok has joined #wpwg 14:05:39 present+ Rolf 14:05:53 ian: this week we started to form a council to deal with the formal objection 14:06:12 Rolf has joined #wpwg 14:06:15 present+ Tomasz 14:06:18 Tomasz has joined #wpwg 14:06:19 present+ Praveena 14:06:45 ...we hope that it will come to a swift conclusion 14:06:59 present+ Amine_Khalfaoui 14:07:10 ...in the meantime, Apple rejoined the working group yesterday 14:07:45 ...That's very exciting and we hope that they will be involved at TPAC in September 14:08:13 ...We currently have 17 registered in person for TPAC 14:08:26 ...WPSIG is a little lower 14:08:44 ...My guess is we might hit 30 participants in person for WPWG 14:09:09 present+ Jean-Michel_Girard 14:09:26 zakim, close item 1 14:09:26 agendum 1, WPWG Charter update, closed 14:09:27 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:09:27 2. SPC Interop Roadmap [from Ian] 14:09:29 zakim, take up item 2 14:09:29 agendum 2 -- SPC Interop Roadmap -- taken up [from Ian] 14:09:31 http://www.w3.org/2023/07/spc-roadmap-20230718.pdf 14:10:28 ian: a few weeks ago, @smcgruer gave a great presentation on some of the dependencies upon which SPC relies 14:10:40 ...I have delivered this roadmap for interoperability 14:11:08 ...the purpose is as a starting point for closing the gaps 14:11:33 ...it doesn't go as far as 3DS or SRC, but is concentrated on making SPC work in browser 14:11:52 JeanMichelGirard has joined #wpwg 14:11:54 ...it goes left to right - starting with payment request 14:12:22 ...which is "red" for Firefox, though we understand it was developed but never shipped 14:12:38 ian: webauthn level 2 is green across the board 14:13:35 ian: then there's SPC - red on iOS and Safari on MACOS 14:14:51 ian: I listed the conditional UI capability as a signal that credential API may be coming 14:15:20 ...credential listing API has encouraging signs too 14:16:03 ...discoverable credentials is mostly green with upcoming API for MACOS that Chrome plans to use 14:16:45 stephen: for clarification, this is for platform authenticators 14:17:52 smcgruer_[EST]: for clarification, this is for platform authenticators 14:18:42 Ian: I will add Hybrid to last column header 14:19:32 ian: we have also been trying to encourage things out of SPC and into webauthn 14:20:01 smcgruer_[EST]: today on android, when you use a platform authentication, there's a bit which is a third-party payment bit 14:20:12 ...that's saved with the credential 14:20:54 ...you can interrogate whether that third-party payment bit is set via credential list API 14:22:20 ian: the next column is a desired-implementation. If you are the relying party, you should be able to use a vanilla webauthn credential for payment 14:22:32 smcgruer_[EST]: in 1P context 14:22:35 Ian: s/First/Relying 14:23:22 ian: do you have any data to share, @smcgruer_[EST] 14:23:42 smcgruer_[EST]: I don't know if people are doing this. Stripe might have been doing this but also had the payment bit set 14:24:33 ian: finally we have said we would like to use roaming authenticators but this requires us fix a bunch of UX issues 14:25:00 ...We asked the Webauthn working group if there were any updates on roaming updates 14:25:30 Rolf: I think the flag we requested is being merged 14:25:47 ian: I meant roaming authenticators 14:26:10 smcgruer_[EST]: I think Christian had some ideas about caching 14:26:21 ...I don't believe anyone is working on this 14:26:50 Rolf: There will be an API for browsers to query the authenticators available on their platform but it's very early 14:27:30 ian: is anything missing from this chart? 14:27:37 Doug_F has joined #wpwg 14:27:55 ian: and what shall we do about the red crosses? We will consider this in detail at TPAC 14:28:06 present+ ZZino 14:28:32 zakim, close this item 14:28:32 agendum 2 closed 14:28:33 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:28:33 3. TPAC agenda [from Ian] 14:28:35 zakim, take up item 3 14:28:35 agendum 3 -- TPAC agenda -- taken up [from Ian] 14:28:37 http://www.w3.org/2023/07/spc-roadmap-20230718.pdf 14:28:46 https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-TPAC2023 14:28:50 ian: we have started the agenda building 14:29:22 ian: we would love to hear from participants - presentations or demos 14:29:34 ian: we believe we will see a presentation from Netcetera 14:29:54 ...we have reached out to Stripe and we still hope to hear from them at TPAC 14:30:09 ...we would love to hear from the group 14:30:33 ian: we would also love to hear from 3DS colleagues - demos, implementation, deployment information 14:30:58 ian: gerard will be presenting on SPC in a credential issuing perspective 14:31:07 ian: we can review the issues list 14:31:35 ... there are a number of UX issues in particular that have been in stasis for some time 14:31:53 ian: with Apple back in the group, it would be good to talk about next steps for payment request 14:32:10 ...in particular with regard to addresses 14:32:34 ian: we may also want to talk about passkeys 14:32:54 ...and we have reached out to get updates on PSD3 14:33:10 Ian: UK Finance on push payment fraud? 14:34:08 NickTR: APP (authorized push payment) is where you log in to transfer money. Even though smaller than cards in volume (by factor of 100), level of fraud is same (hence collossal) 14:34:18 regarding WebAuthn: not an API for querying available authenticators, but client capabilities (e.g., hybrid transport, client-pin entry, ...) 14:35:52 ian: we also hope to hear som merchant perspectives 14:35:58 s/som/some/ 14:36:40 ian: Berlin Group are not available for TPAC but we are looking to schedule a meeting with them on 30th October at 3pm UTC (for early diary awareness) 14:36:49 ...I will remind the group nearer the time 14:37:15 ...and they have indicated that they are getting closer to dynamic linking features 14:37:52 ian: also for info, at our next meeting, the Chrome team will present on autofill in a 3P context via iframes with a guest attendee from PCI 14:37:55 q? 14:38:15 Anne_ has joined #wpwg 14:39:33 NickTR: We welcome your presentations! 14:39:44 ...handful of bullets suffices 14:39:51 ...whether new or old topics 14:39:59 zakim, close this item 14:39:59 agendum 3 closed 14:40:01 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 14:40:01 4. Next meeting [from Ian] 14:40:04 zakim, take up next item 14:40:04 agendum 4 -- Next meeting -- taken up [from Ian] 14:40:07 3 August 14:41:14 RRSAGENT, make minutes 14:41:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/20-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:41:47 RRSAGENT, set logs public 14:42:19 zakim, who is here? 14:42:19 Present: Ian, Sue_Koomen, Franck_Delache, Holger_Kunkat, Jeff_Owenson, benoit, Fahad_Saleem, Rouslan_Solomakhin, Steve_Cole, Doug_Fisher, Gustavo_Kok, Ryan_Watkins, Anne_Pouillard, 14:42:19 ... Sameer_Tare, Nick_Telford-Reed, Bastien_Latge, Jean-Luc_di_Manno, Stephen_McGruer, Bastien_, Tony_England, Suzie_Annezo-Sebire, Rolf, Tomasz, Praveena, Amine_Khalfaoui, 14:42:19 ... Jean-Michel_Girard, ZZino 14:42:19 On IRC I see JeanMichelGirard, Tomasz, Rolf, gkok, JeanLuc, Anne, SuzieAS, benoit, fdelache, Sue, RRSAgent, Zakim, pea1358, canton_, dlehn, Dongwoo, smcgruer_[EST], nicktr, 14:42:19 ... wanderview, hadleybeeman, hober, ljharb, tobie, rbyers, slightlyoff, sexymummy69, Github, npd, imlostlmao, TimCappalli, Ian, weiler 14:42:51 I think we can do things like mention issues 14:43:02 GitHub, help 14:43:15 zakim, bye 14:43:15 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Sue_Koomen, Franck_Delache, Holger_Kunkat, Jeff_Owenson, benoit, Fahad_Saleem, Rouslan_Solomakhin, Steve_Cole, Doug_Fisher, 14:43:15 Zakim has left #wpwg 14:43:21 ... Gustavo_Kok, Ryan_Watkins, Anne_Pouillard, Sameer_Tare, Nick_Telford-Reed, Bastien_Latge, Jean-Luc_di_Manno, Stephen_McGruer, Bastien_, Tony_England, Suzie_Annezo-Sebire, Rolf, 14:43:21 ... Tomasz, Praveena, Amine_Khalfaoui, Jean-Michel_Girard, ZZino 14:43:21 rrsagent, bye 14:43:21 I see no action items