14:54:35 RRSAgent has joined #pointerevents 14:54:39 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-irc 14:54:52 Meeting: PEWG 14:55:02 Chair: Patrick H. Lauke 14:55:13 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6246bc85-4dae-43a8-a50c-9bc5a0829585/20230719T110000/ 14:55:24 Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke 14:55:32 ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke 14:55:33 present+ 14:59:37 present+ smaug 15:03:14 flackr has joined #pointerevents 15:03:55 present+ flackr 15:03:55 present+ mustaq 15:04:53 TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 15:04:59 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445 15:04:59 Go over https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=is%3Aclosed+label%3Aneeds-wpt+ 15:05:36 Patrick: how are we doing with tests? any blockers/particularly tricky ones? 15:05:51 Olli: the secure context is a tricky one. do we want to change spec, or... 15:06:06 Mustaq: we have a counter in chrome for this, just waiting for data 15:06:19 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/318 15:06:47 Olli: do we have data, or do we need to wait until september? 15:06:56 Mustaq: we may have data from canary 15:07:13 Mustaq: maybe we can wait for first stable release 15:07:49 Olli: if we see already now that some sites are already using it we can make a decision 15:08:42 Mustaq: in chrome 117, goes stable next month 15:09:03 Mustaq: we can wait for stable data, or see what we have so far 15:09:24 Olli: where do we get telemetry data for chrome... is it chromestatus? 15:09:38 Rob: it is on chromestatus, it's in the stats on the left 15:10:34 Rob: maybe it's not there yet... 15:10:48 Patrick: yeah i don't see it (getCoealescedInSecureContext ?) 15:11:11 Rob: not seeing it 15:11:16 "GetCoalescedEventsInInsecureContext" should appear there. 15:11:43 https://chromestatus.com/metrics/feature/popularity 15:12:35 Mustaq: let's look at it offline, need to get back to it in two weeks to get data 15:12:55 Rob: I think the fact it's not there means it hasn't happened (and not that it hasn't received data yet) 15:13:08 Mustaq: beta in one month, stable in two months 15:13:17 Olli: can wait and see what data we have 15:18:05 Patrick: so what do we want to do...make #472 v3 blocking and wait for data from counter? Could get PRs ready either way and then merge as soon as we have data 15:19:01 Olli: or we can land a PR *now* to return empty array on non-secure, and make change later (depending on data) to completely remove it 15:19:50 Patrick: I'll put myself down to make PR for the change now 15:20:08 ACTION: Patrick to write PR to address https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/472 15:20:47 Patrick: will that then make the WPT easier to fix? 15:20:59 Rob: it would actually be easier if we completely removed the methods... 15:21:14 Olli: but should be feasible either way 15:21:25 Olli: I can write a new WPT for that if you do the PR Patrick 15:21:28 Patrick: Sounds good 15:21:40 ACTION: Olli to write WPT once Patrick's PR merged 15:27:18 TOPIC: TPAC demo video 15:29:22 Patrick: just a heads-up, you probably saw, I put myself down to make a short video for TPAC covering pointerrawmove, getCoalescedEvents() and getPredictedEvents(), azimuthAngle/altitudeAngle (excuse to show off the webGL stylus demo again), mention that click/auxclick/contextmenu are now PEs so can now see what input caused a particular action there too (taking place of the old inputDeviceCapabilities approach). deadline[CUT] 15:29:22 ng video done is 30 August, don't foresee any major problems in getting it done for then, already have most demos in place (will tweak slightly) 15:30:43 ACTION: Patrick to create "What's new in PE Level 3" video 15:31:01 Patrick: meanwhile, thank you all as ever 15:31:07 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:31:13 RRSAgent, generate minutes 15:31:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke 15:31:32 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:31:45 RRSAgent, bye 15:31:45 I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-actions.rdf : 15:31:45 ACTION: Patrick to write PR to address https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/472 [1] 15:31:45 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-irc#T15-20-08 15:31:45 ACTION: Olli to write WPT once Patrick's PR merged [2] 15:31:45 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-irc#T15-21-40 15:31:45 ACTION: Patrick to create "What's new in PE Level 3" video [3] 15:31:45 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/07/19-pointerevents-irc#T15-30-43