IRC log of apa on 2023-07-05

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina_

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agenda?

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Meeting APA Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 05 Jul 2023

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Chair: Janina

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results

12:59:05 [janina_]

agenda+ TPAC 2023 Planning - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023

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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

12:59:16 [janina_]

agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

12:59:21 [janina_]

agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ be done

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/join #rqtf

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present+

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present+

14:02:30 [janina_]

present+

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present+

14:02:41 [matatk]

present+

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scribe: matatk

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zakim, next itme

14:03:58 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'next itme', matatk

14:04:00 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina_]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 1 closed

14:04:50 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results [from janina_]

14:04:51 [Zakim]

agendum 2 -- Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results -- taken up [from janina_]

14:04:55 [niklasegger]

present+

14:06:20 [matatk]

janina_: We're working on ensuring that the comment we received was addressed properly.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- TPAC 2023 Planning - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023 -- taken up [from janina_]

14:08:03 [matatk]

janina_: Scheduling work continues

14:12:09 [matatk]

matatk: We'd like to encourage everyone (and will support you) in shouting about your work, via breakouts etc. We have a great opportunity to get more mindshare on our work, and maybe new recruits!

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina_]

14:12:40 [matatk]

subtopic: Web Editing Working Group Rechartering

14:12:40 [matatk]

- charter: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/417

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- issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/417

14:12:57 [matatk]

Roy: They have added APA to coordinate WG, and I think you may have more thoughts on this online editing technologies.

14:15:50 [matatk]

janina_: In previous work, we met in Lyon and had a meeting of the minds. We covered issues around how things are exposed in the accessibility tree; need to follow up on that.

14:16:11 [matatk]

... Looks like they're planning additional work, which may need co-ordination with ARIA, RQTF, ...

14:17:16 [matatk]

... CTAUR can provide good input, e.g. for APIs that we'd like to have in future.

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... We want to make sure this group is aware of CTAUR.

14:18:24 [matatk]

... Text attributes (e.g. bold, italic, ...) needs to be surfaced too. Captured in RQTF minutes (link pending).

14:18:36 [matatk]

... Want to make sure we can interact with this group, but not sure what the next step is.

14:19:34 [matatk]

PaulG: What's the scope of their work? How does this relate to contenteditable?

14:19:58 [matatk]

janina_: IIRC our issues were more on UA/AT implementation rather than spec in the past. Want to find good ways of doing these things.

14:20:58 [matatk]

janina_: Think we want to ask for liaison, as there's a lot we want to help them co-ordinate.

14:21:31 [matatk]

matatk: I interfaced with some of the stuff mentioned here when working on prototype tools for Adapt TF; interesting to see they may get updates.

14:22:15 [matatk]

matatk: Shall we ask them for info (don't think we have anyone we can send to them regularly).

14:22:31 [matatk]

janina_: Agree, we want to hear from them, what they're working on, and want to co-ordinate. And show them things like CTAUR.

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Fredrik: Is there some overlap between what RQTF and Web edits are doing, so they should sit in on RQTF rather than us going to them?

14:24:16 [matatk]

janina_: We should also point them to Adapt, and let them know about CTAUR.

14:24:54 [matatk]

... With recent moves to web-based office, away from native apps, this makes CTAUR more important. Plus RQTF is very active.

14:26:32 [matatk]

matatk: So we point them to CTAUR and maybe something in Adapt (but not sure which) on the GitHub issue, and let them know we'll ask for a meeting at TPC there, too?

14:26:47 [matatk]

janina_: Yes, not sure what we can point to in Adapt, but we need to inform them of the things we're doing generally.

14:27:51 [matatk]

janina_: We need an understanding of their scope and deliverables.

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agenda?

14:28:55 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 4

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agendum 4, New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22, dropped

14:28:57 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 5

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agendum 5, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped

14:28:58 [matatk]

zakim, drop item 6

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agendum 6, Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues, dropped

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zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina_]

14:29:13 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 7 closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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8. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina_]

14:29:15 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina_]

14:29:55 [matatk]

PaulG: Lots of discussions on low-level APIs last week; animations etc. Nothing specific for us. This week was cancelled due to the holiday.

14:30:00 [matatk]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 8 closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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9. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina_]

14:30:03 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina_]

14:34:33 [matatk]

Your assigned issues in GitHub: https://github.com/issues/assigned

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subtopic: Allow modal dialogs to trap focus

14:36:10 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/138

14:36:32 [matatk]

Comment from Niklas: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/138#issuecomment-1621821260

14:41:22 [matatk]

matatk: Think we all agree that whatever we do (with a leaning to allowing access to the URL bar) it should be consistent across <dialog> element and APG.

14:41:45 [matatk]

PaulG: This is important in a kiosk context.

14:41:47 [janina_]

+1 to sync APG

14:42:22 [matatk]

niklasegger: There will always be two groups, some prefer accessing it and some not, but the key is communicating what we decide on, and that it's normal and useful behavior.

14:43:50 [matatk]

PaulG: In a kiosk, if you need to escape the modal, the browser is limited, so they don't have standard keyboard shortcuts, maybe not Escape, so you need a natural escape mechanism (i.e. moving to address bar).

14:45:09 [matatk]

matatk: Sounds like we want to comment that <dialog> element is already behaving as we think it should, and we ought to request APG to synch up with it.

14:45:17 [matatk]

janina_: Everyone seems to agree; may need a CfC.

14:47:43 [matatk]

zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina_]

14:47:59 [matatk]

subtopic: Adapt

14:48:25 [matatk]

janina_: We didn't meet this week, but are eager to show and tell at TPAC. With authoring tool prototypes and maybe hand-outs regarding using different symbol sets. Other things on the drawing board.

14:48:30 [matatk]

subtopic: Maturity Model

14:48:41 [matatk]

janina_: Close to an updated WD. There will be one before TPAC.

14:48:45 [matatk]

subtopic: RQTF

14:49:06 [matatk]

janina_: Looking forward to starting MAUR 2.0. Joining MEIG call next Tuesday.

14:49:15 [matatk]

... Continuing work on CTUAR too.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina_]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 11 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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12. be done [from janina_]

14:50:32 [matatk]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk

14:51:12 [matatk]

regrets+ Gottfried

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Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk

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zakim, next item

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agendum 12 -- be done -- taken up [from janina_]

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk

14:52:48 [matatk]

zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been janina_, Fredrik, PaulG, matatk, niklasegger

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html Zakim

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I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see no action items